Its only taken a generation for ATMs to start producing the staffing efficiencies they promised.
--Like it or not, there will be an Exurban Nation--
Its only taken a generation for ATMs to start producing the staffing efficiencies they promised.
--Like it or not, there will be an Exurban Nation--
Celtic Paper Tiger?
I am aware it is the Royal bank of Scotland
CR did you link the IMF report?
@MEL
Last post. Let them live in their delusion. Just hedge yourself. Let them go naked Long.
Its always easier to cut the back office people because the deterioration to infrastructure that occurs is not obvious until much later... at which point its much more expensive. Kind of like putting off road maintenance.
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"no one is pricing in low, mid teens unemployment in any of their assumptions." - Meredith Whitney
Hussman is definitely worth reading this week if you haven't already:
back office and property management. Good to see they are going after those responsible for the mess they are in.
The cuts represent 20% of the 45,000 staff employed in the bank's "group manufacturing" division, which includes back office operations, purchasing, IT and property management.
45,000 back office staff? Why not cut 70% of them and see where you actually notice the change?
Before the Bank of England got involved, the free market wanted to cut 100% of the RBS jobs. Go figure.
45,000 back office staff? Why not cut 70% of them and see where you actually notice the change?
Don't worry. This is just the warmup
http://afterthecrash.net - Home of the Doomer Story Portal and Other Stuff
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/KD03Dj02.html -repost geithners dirty little secret
The GM/Segway egg reminds me of this: The 2012 Pelosi Sport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
Speaking of Scots:
We've a piper down. It's okay, he's just pissed! - from the movie "I Married an Axe Murderer"
Re: the bank's "group manufacturing" division
So banks are manufacturers now?
"We're in the basement, Learning to print. All of it's hot. 10, 20, 30 million ready to be spent..."
Don't worry. This is just the warmup
I hope so! They have a back office the size of a Soviet Army. Talk about bloat! I don't care how big they are, that's grotesque. Whatever it is, contract that shit out or stop doing it entirely. That is a level of staffing that exists only to accommodate the meetings-to-plan-meetings world of people who are expected to spend more time monitoring their schedules and email boxes than doing their jobs.
The Charge off of the Light Brigade
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Debt, RBS:
Wrote off the nine thousand.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge off and be gone!" he said:
Into the valley of Debt
Rode the nine thousand.
Notice the cuts occur over a 2 year period.
Incremental layoffs or parallel wind down
of non-performing divisions with extended
L shaped recession?
NEW from government motors!
GM and Segway unveil new two-wheeled urban vehicle
Can I be the first European to say that thing is ridiculous?
totally agree... 1/3 the cost of a Real car? shut GM down Today. they're FOS idiots.
"45,000 staff employed in the bank's "group manufacturing" division"
Manufacturing?!?!?!?!?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHA!
-breath-
Ermmmmmm.....I thought the "manufacturing" occurred in structured finance.....
Maybe we should just call hamburger flipping a manufacturing job...oh wait....
Nostrovia,
oddly, I met Michael Lewis back at Solly in the 80s when we were trying to unload some
RBS bonds - he had a mid-Atlantic speech pattern he though he came from New Orleans, stop-over
at London School of Econ....
heavy cutting in Hollywoods Scotland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaslN1NiT0 Rob Roy final sword scene
totally agree... 1/3 the cost of a Real car? shut GM down Today. they're FOS idiots.
It looks fun! Like it would make a great go kart. I would completely tear around in one. Just give it to me for free.
But if I want to tool around on sunny summer days, I can get a scooter than runs forever on a gallon of gas, with about a zillion less moving parts, and it won't have built in GPS and electronics that spy on me for the police, and it'll cost 1/4 what they want to charge for the PUMA. And I can park it in my basement over the winter, because I sure hope nobody thinks I'm going to ride that thing in the snow.
But it'll have a breathalyzer that arrests you and drives you to jail if someone drunk walks by, so it will be proclaimed the most advanced and safest vehicle ever produced.
It might make an interesting rental vehicle in the zipcar style, but it would have to be pretty cheap, like 20/day, it doesn't seem to offer much.
If we are looking at jobs being a lagging indicator, and expect jobs to keep declining for another two years, then how would that affect earnings? Maybe stocks will be a bit expensive down the road eh? In our consumer driven economy, this all looks like a vicious negative feedback loop. Less jobs, less profits, more housing stock on the market and debt to GDP will continue to soar until the anyone who is deep in debt won 't ever be able to climb out of it. A 30 percent further decline in housing? That is looking far too optimistic. The answer from Washington seems to be get the "credit" flowing again so that more debt can be piled on, when exactly the opposite is needed.
Bonuses for the bigwigs. Outsourcing for the worker bees. They deserve more bailout money.
'--Like it or not, there will be an Exurban Nation--'
Wow - since when did back to the land types start posting here?
Cities have been a feature of 'civilization' since civilization began. The human race is not simply going to abandon cities because a few die-off types think that abandoning cities is the only way humanity will survive in the future.
It just isn't going to happen - cities aren't going to go away.
The New Global Currency Has Been Activated
Ron Paul said it would happen without fanfare or press releases. And that's exactly how it went down.
A single clause in Point 19 of the communiqué issued by the G20 leaders amounts to revolution in the global financial order, reports Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.
At this point, it is only, as Ben Bernanke would put it, a new "tool" for central banks in dealing with each other. But, it is step one in replacing the dollar as the reserve currency. The powers that be opted to introduce this "new" currency under the guise of simply cranking up SDR's (the IMF's Special Drawing Rights) a bit. Thus, resulting in even less scrutiny than if the G-20 would have had to announce that "a new reserve currency" has been created. But make no mistake that is what is going on.
Evans-Pritchard continues:
"We have agreed to support a general SDR allocation which will inject $250bn (£170bn) into the world economy and increase global liquidity," [the communiqué] said. SDRs are Special Drawing Rights, a synthetic paper currency issued by the International Monetary Fund that has lain dormant for half a century.
In effect, the G20 leaders have activated the IMF's power to create money and begin global "quantitative easing". In doing so, they are putting a de facto world currency into play. It is outside the control of any sovereign body. Conspiracy theorists will love it.
The defacto world currency is about global inflation. The currencies that now exist will stand, but behind these currencies, at the central bank level, will be SDRs. Any country that is falling behind in the quantitative easing game will get a new dose of SDR money. Pressure on the dollar internationally? No problem. The dollars will be bought up with SDRs. At least that's the plan, replace one voodoo expandable money (the dollar) with an even more high tech expandable voodoo currency (SDR's).
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Will the Asians buy into this new voodoo? Who really knows? They bought into the dollar for a long time. Or will they eventually start demanding some of the non-expandable money, gold? Time will tell.
As for the average investor, when things have gotten so bad that the government is monkeying around with new methods of money printing, it becomes obvious that owning some gold is where you need to be at.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a banker dismay'd?
Not tho' the sold out knew
Someone had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to try and re-fi:
Into the valley of Debt
Rode the nine thousand
Another example of deflationary pressure (on a smaller scale):
Musicians of the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra have agreed to a 12 percent reduction in pay for 2009-10.
The cuts come in the wake of reductions announced last month. Those included the layoff of 7.5 positions (17 percent of staff), a 15.5 percent pay cut for senior management, a salary freeze for non-senior staff and the cancellation of a European tour for 2009-10.
Whatever it is, contract that shit out or stop doing it entirely.
It's about ~80% of the staff that would be deployed in these areas if the RBS megacorp were a bunch of small local or stand-alone banks. Makes you think a bit about all those "economies of scale" arguments that were used to justify the take-overs during the past 2 decades. I'm not convinced it's a bad thing to have this many people performing these functions..... and not convinced that "outsourcing" would really change the numbers or the cost. But BR may be right about too many paper-pushers under one umbrella.
Anonymous wrote on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 8:34am.
'--Like it or not, there will be an Exurban Nation--'
Wow - since when did back to the land types start posting here?
Since 2006. Exurban is not the same a rural. It means a post cenurban built environment. For back to the land you'd have to ask Blackstar Ranch as most of the rest who are "prepared" don't talk about it much.
--Like it or not, there will be an Exurban Nation--
Debt to right of them,
Debt to left of them,
Debt in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Credit shot to hell
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Debt,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the nine thousand.
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The GM/Segway egg reminds me of this: The 2012 Pelosi Sport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY
That's just precious.
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Re: IMF's Special Drawing Rights
Just what currency will these be denomination in? Just another fiat conduit until it is a tradeable currency.
--Like it or not, there will be an Exurban Nation--
Fed officials claiming they had to pay AIG's creditors 100 cents to the dollar to avoid a collapse like when BCCI collapsed. Fed officials comparing AIG to BCCI to justify their actions. Can't make this stuff up
"The idea of a discount was met with "a very hostile reaction" and warnings that such a stance would be viewed as a default, officials said. They pointed to the global financial chaos after the 1991 collapse of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. Authorities in England and Luxembourg seized Pakistan-based BCCI, and its creditors scrambled for assets across the globe"
Or does even asking these questions make me a crackpot?
Your #1 poster daily ,on a blog that is viewed by the sellers of media as full of crackpots
Hal, I apologize for the name calling. It was childish and impolite. I've been accused at times of being an inconsiderate bastard and this apparently was one of those times. You are entitled to your opinions just as I, and regardless how I might disagree with your thought processes, I should know better. Again, I apologize for the outburst. I'm pretty sure you are not an idiot.
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Ranch
Dawg - they might no even have to print them... just digits on a computer to represent the transfer of $US or Euros.
IMF is the new black hole.
Flash'd all their assets bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd to despair
Savoring the bankers stare,
Charging this and that, while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged into an unemployment yoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Scotsman and Englishman
Reel'd from the sabre stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the nine thousand.
Individually, these job losses are a tragedy. But collectively they are progress!
When can their credit fade?
O the wild charges they made!
All the world wondered.
Honor the charges they made?,
Honor the Light Brigade,
Noble nine thousand.
"New York Insurance Commissioner Eric Dinallo, the most vocal advocate for regulating credit-default swaps, told Congress on Oct. 18 that regulators were working in a vacuum.
"Because the credit default swap market is not regulated, we do not have valid data on the number of swaps outstanding," he said."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/65609.html
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what? huh?
i thought in a systemic emergency the treasury and fed rsrv had all this power and authority
how about, "fed to bankstas report now or be disolved"
mt
CR,
Love the new Index on the right. Great job.
GS needs to hurry up and finish that capital raise, otherwise my puts will never pay off. Seriously, how greedy are those btards? $118?
I'm expecting a secondary offering at $100-$110 "to help pay down TARP funds".
"The beat goes on ..."
The beating goes on...
That is a level of staffing that exists only to accommodate the meetings-to-plan-meetings world of people who are expected to spend more time monitoring their schedules and email boxes than doing their jobs.
Nice.
I copied and pasted that BR - sent it to a couple buddies engaged in war with IB funded PE firms - hope you don't mind. They will get it immediately.
BTW it's not 'bloat' it's 'stimulus'.
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Hussman's a moron. Anyone who thinks the FASB "eroded accounting standards" is living in a dream world. Market price and fair value are not the same thing no matter how you slice it.
"The Charge off of the Light Brigade
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Debt, RBS:
Wrote off the nine thousand.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge off and be gone!" he said:
Into the valley of Debt
Rode the nine thousand."
A lovely topical parody. Congratulations.
Pavel Chichikov
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wally wrote on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 10:59am.
"The beat goes on ..."
The beating goes on...
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But only until morale improves.
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"What we have created now is a situation where the banks who will be able to earn their way out of a hole, but by doing that, they are going to weigh on the economy. Instead of stimulating the economy, they will draw the lifeblood, so to speak, of profits away from the real economy in order to keep themselves alive."
george soros
http://www.reuters.com/article/wtUSInvestingNews/idUSTRE53537D20090406?s...
"U.S. consumer spending has to fall to 60 percent of gross domestic product, compared two-thirds now, he continued."
"The recovery will look like "an inverted square root sign," Soros said: "You hit bottom and you automatically rebound some, but then you don't come out of it in a V-shape recovery or anything like that. You settle down -- step down."
(In the fourth quarter, the U.S. economy contracted at a 6.3 percent annualized rate, and economists think the first quarter's slide will be at least as severe, if not worse. from article, not a quote)
mt
"When can their credit fade?
O the wild charges they made!
All the world wondered.
Honor the charges they made?,
Honor the Light Brigade,
Noble nine thousand."
This too.
Pavel Chichikov
from up thread post,,,,, "market value and fair price are not the same thing"
i think thats what karl marx said too, and maybe sometimes thats right (or left)
mt
Naples holds its own version of Boston Tea Party
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/apr/05/naples-holds-its-own-version-...
"Regardless of their personal motivations, outrage was the unifying factor as hundreds of Southwest Florida residents gathered with signs and tea bags, chanting slogans like "Vote 'em all out!" After an hour of stump speeches, petition signing and a break to vote for the best signs, the people gathered at Fleischmann Park in Naples took their tea bags and dumped them into a small pool of water poured just for that purpose."
That's me at the Naples Tea Party with a bull horn doing some rabble rousing.
http://www.naplesnews.com/photos/galleries/2009/apr/05/naples-holds-its-...
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"We are creating or saving 4 MILLION jobs. YES. WE. CAN. "
Cheap cocaine and high humidity take a toll on a person
Cheap cocaine and high humidity take a toll on a person
In the meantime you have Barofsky, though the news apparently didn't scare anyone.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aMYTAvnZnu3A&refer=home
And Reggie values them at 68.
Oh GS is up on a Moody's downgrade. I get it now.
"Hussman's a moron. Anyone who thinks the FASB "eroded accounting standards" is living in a dream world. Market price and fair value are not the same thing no matter how you slice it."
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Worthless assets are worthless assets, no matter what the price is on your books. The market price is a fair value, with a certain risk premium priced in. The vast majority of these MBS are worth approximately $0.10 on the dollar. Your argument is moot, because one way or another these losses will be recognized. Frankly, I don't give a shit about the accounting. They can't hide reality forever.
Wow - since when did back to the land types start posting here?
Cities have been a feature of 'civilization' since civilization began. The human race is not simply going to abandon cities because a few die-off types think that abandoning cities is the only way humanity will survive in the future.
It just isn't going to happen - cities aren't going to go away.
People misread Rob Dawg - it isn't that cities will go away... its that the current myth of 'density' is equally unsustainable as the moonscape we call 'The Inland Empire'. If you doubt that - consider how all the inputs [food, water, energy & 'consumables'] get into a super high density central city like say Manhattan and how the waste [sewage, garbage & disposed of consumables] get's out. The higher the density the bigger the problem the greater the 'waste' supporting the system.
In math we would refer to ultra low density and ultra high density as undefined boundary conditions... they won't apply to reality. The in betweens will be where most of us live... modestly dense cities to modestly sparse ex-urbia and a lot in between.
But considering that isn't as much fun as knee jerk extremes either side of the issue.
Now back to your regularly scheduled doom and gloom.
Pavel,
I much prefer Swift-Boating of the 18th century as thought up by Jonathon, rather than the crude application performed by Karl in the early 21st century~
"Anyone who thinks the FASB "eroded accounting standards" is living in a dream world."
Disagree - Banks can now price assets with L3 inputs based on "intent" rather than best available market information. SAS 109 requires auditors to then re-evaluate managements propensity to follow through on their intent in later years, but this buys a temporary hall pass.
"Market price and fair value are not the same thing no matter how you slice it."
Agreed. They are based on market participants and frequently are priced approximately the same, but fair value is based on an asset-by-asset, situational analysis and includes tax benefits unique to a particular buyer. It also is net of costs to sell such as commissions and delivery.
new thread
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If you don't take your profits, someone else will.
Base hits win ballgames.
Where's the refresh button on the comments?
to michael re 7th amendment
yes, an important bulwark against tyrany
from wiki
"Jury nullification is a de facto and traditional power of juries, not normally disclosed to jurors by the system when they are instructed as to rights and duties.
The power of jury nullification derives from an inherent quality of most modern common law systems-a general unwillingness to inquire into jurors' motivations during or after deliberations.
A jury's ability to nullify the law is further supported by two common law precedents: the prohibition on punishing jury members for their verdict, and the prohibition (in some countries) on retrying defendants after an acquittal; and the constitutional prohibition on retrying criminal defendants (see related topics res judicata and double jeopardy)."
mt
Where's the refresh button on the comments?
about 4 1/2 inches WNW from your enter button
But considering that isn't as much fun as knee jerk extremes either side of the issue. - dryfly
Well said, your entire post. This last is what always makes me laugh. The urbanist apologists consider my observations extreme.
--Like it or not, there will be an Exurban Nation--
We in Manhattan spend less per capita on waste management.
P E R C A P I T A
SEC Mulls 2 Short Sale Circuit Breakers
U.S. securities regulators are crafting two types of 'circuit breakers' to restrict short selling, a type of investing often blamed by executives for declines in the stocks of their companies, a source familiar with the proposals told Reuters on Monday.
The Securities and Exchange Commission will consider at its Wednesday meeting the restoration of the "uptick rule," which allowed short sales -- a bet that a stock's price will fall -- only when the last sale price was higher than the previous price.
The SEC is working on an updated version of the uptick rule to include all stocks and a bid test, which would only allow shorting at a price above the highest available bid, said the source, who requested anonymity because the proposals are still being crafted.
The source said the SEC is working on a circuit breaker proposal that could temporarily prohibit short sales of a stock if the stock has already fallen by a certain percentage. The source also said the SEC is crafting another circuit breaker that would trigger the application of the uptick rule or bid test after the price of a stock had fallen by a certain percentage.
What no more shorting $5.00 banks and no upside limits. Knock the horns off, wipe the a**, next rule change...
SDRs have been around since the 1960s, here's the current weighting: http://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/data/rms_sdrv.aspx
Non-expandable gold, truly non-expandable, except the supply and demand problem. You crank up the price, the mines crank up production to capitalize on the prices. Of course, no one talks about gold the same way they talk about oil. The presumption is that we've been at peak gold for years, which is patently false.
We in Manhattan spend less per capita on waste management.
Because you dump it either in the ocean or in Pennsylvania [or put on a ship to the third world]... I live in a town nearby where they 'process' waste from the Twin Cities an hour drive - not even close to as dense or large as compared to Manhattan and it is a nightmare - garbage all over the roads... pollution of all kinds everywhere. I can only imagine the 'short cuts' they use to keep it cheap for New Yorkers.
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Of course the city people don't see that. Make them pre-process their own shit LOCALLY and a lot of the allure of density goes away. Instead somebody else gets stuck with that monstrous flow... and if we complain we are 'NIMBYs'.
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Same with inputs - you should see the mass of logistics located outside cenurbs just so fresh veggies can get into the city while they are still 'fresh.' Be a lot easier if city people just agreed to eat freeze dried food - like on a space station.
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Like I suggested above - the optimum isn't on the 'extremes'.
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dryfly,
Damn you beat me to it. The machinations the cenurbists go through to justify their unsustainable lifestyles is truly a sight to behold. Cheap water? Sure when you don't carry the capital costs on the books and you tie up thousands of square miles of watershed upstate at no cost. and not coincidentaly crushing the economies upstate gutting the tax base and inhibiting exurban development patterns.
--Like it or not, there will be an Exurban Nation--
And where exactly does our density come from?
They're not born here like me. Our birth rate is much lower than yours, but not our homeless shelter programs.
How many bits DOES it take to count to a trillion? 40?
"cenurbists"
This stumped even google. Def?
scots, picts, celts, angles, saxons - they're all the same - berry besmeared cattle rustlers!!
btw, does this mean blooming of a thousand hedgefunds?? (assumption that nine staff per would be about right)
Love the Light Brigade, by the way.
Please post to Nova's site, so your work isn't lost in comment-space.
"Where's the refresh button on the comments? "
F5 in Firefox and Explorer.
"Oh GS is up on a Moody's downgrade. I get it now. "
Contrarian indicator. One would do well fading the ratings agencies. And Cramer. If the RAs Cramer and Kudlow are all on the same page, bet the farm on the inverse.
"Base hits win games."
But home runs fill the stands...
If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP.
- Nemo