Hope is not an investment Strategy
Hope is not an investment Strategy
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If I want a Glimmer Man I'll call Steven Segal. This sequel reads more like a rerun.
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Where's my Free Lunch!!!
I found out from Marc Faber today that I have 4 times as much experience in the private sector as the entire Obama Economic Dream Team.
Which is scary, because I don't really have that much experience in private industry.
"Clean energy companies and construction companies are re-hiring workers to build everything from energy efficient windows to new roads and highways"
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CR do you still think PCE is bottoming?
So hope equal pain. Sadists. I wish O would have said that during the campaign. I thought he meant hope as in ponies. Maybe it is ponies for some, but for the rest, it's horsemeat....or turnips.
I like the "Glimmer Twins" better. One of them even studied economics supposedly.
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so the glimmer of hope seems to revolve around pushing more debt on people.
it's like a coke dealer saying, sorry you've lost your job, your house, your family, but on the bright side, our coke volume is not as bad as we thought it'd be...
We continued to neglect the long-term threats to our prosperity: the crushing burden that the rising cost of health care is placing on families and businesses; the failure of our education system to prepare our workers for a new age; the progress that other nations are making on clean energy industries and technologies while we remain addicted to foreign oil; the growing debt that we're passing on to our children.
National health care, federalized education, carbon taxes, cap'n'trade and lower taxes/spending?!?
Overreaching and spaghetti* governance are recipes for even greater disasters.
* spaghetti - throwing partially cooked pieces of the meal on the wall to see what sticks and expecting the dog to clean up the mess.
At night, you can see glimmers in the aftermath of a fire. They're red hot!
We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall spend in France, we shall ship consumer goods on the seas and the oceans, we shall spend with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our bankers, whatever the cost may be. We shall spend time on on the beaches, we shall spend time @ Starbucks spending on coffee grounds, we shall spend in the malls and in the streets, we shall spend on cheap thrills; we shall never surrender our reputation as spendthrifts.
Everytime I hear Obama, Bernanke, Geitner, Summers, etc, say "helping credit flow to families again", I turn it around in my head to read "helping families take on more debt". It gives a much more realistic view of what's really going on.
By no means are we out of the woods just yet. But from where we stand, for the very first time, we are beginning to see glimmers of hope. And beyond that, way off in the distance, we can see a vision of an America's future that is far different than our troubled economic past.
Words together make a sentence; sentences make a paragraph. But Obama manages to say exactly nothing!
~ Glimmers of hope and distant visions. ~
Poetry of smoke and mirrors.
And beyond that, way off in the distance, we can see a vision of an America's future that is far different than our troubled economic past.
Yes... I can see it too. Its much worse.
Markets may be forward-looking, but, from where I sit in what was formerly the fastest-growing county in my state, things really started to fall apart late last year and are getting worse and worse, from the standpoint of business closures, see-through CRE, turnover of new construction.
There's a 4-building, 2-story office complex that's had one tenant, the rest have been see-throughs for 15 months now.
A smallish strip mall opened with 2 tenants in probably 30 storefronts.
An existing strip mall has lost around 1/3rd of its businesses.
We've lost 3 auto dealerships out of, I suppose 8 in the immediate vicinity. No idea why competing brands form themselves into rows like that.
Work has stopped on a high-end condo development near the hospital.
I'll try to do a walkaround over the next couple of weeks and see what's going on with some of these.
Yes!
Now the glimmer he sees is the fuse lit on the sovereign default bomb he, Ben & Timmay conspired to light. We're totally screwed with these irresponsible perps at the helm.
Yes!
Now the glimmer he sees is the fuse lit on the sovereign default bomb he, Ben & Timmay conspired to light. We're totally screwed with these irresponsible perps at the helm.
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From the last thread (sorry):
They really need a strong middle class for the US to prosper, but they work very hard to undercut it.
Is the undercutting intentional or just unintended consequences? That's what I want to know.
ac: I found out from Marc Faber today that I have 4 times as much experience in the private sector as the entire Obama Economic Dream Team.
Which is scary, because I don't really have that much experience in private industry.
So you would rather they be bankers instead of close to bankers?
I honestly fear for my safety. Socialism where the masses have guns... It has never been tried before.
way off in the distance, we can see a vision of an America's future that is far different than our troubled economic past. One where Goldman Sachs succeeds. And I get a big fat paycheck from them.
I guess he was serious about hopemefication of the economy.
I guess it's possible to hope there's a workble plan B after the Geithner Summers plan fails.
I guess the fact that we have not entered Mad Max territory yet is a reason for hope.
I expect a new economy to emerge on the basis of might is right, combined with hundreds of millions of guns..
Call it:
"Parabellumism"
Bastard! He can rescue scummy bankers, but he won't rescue a dog. No, it's nothing but pure bred for this elitist prick. Applying his logic in choosing dogs, maybe we should insist our president is pure bred. Nah, I like mutts....just not mutts who think they are blue-blooded pure breds.
@Rob Dawg:
Isn't Segal busy dealing with all the Pirates? They never worry about the cook!
Blah, blah, blah. What is needed are real solutions for the real problems facing this country not just smoke and mirrors. It makes me want my $50 campaign donation back.
I find it interesting that all the people who voted for him have stopped saying "it could have been worse."
LOL:
11:00 a.m. Economy must be built on rock, not sand, Obama says
11:03 a.m. Fed buys $7.3 billion in Treasurys
Hahaha....
Obama is probably being told to get out there and cheerlead. Remember the whole psychological warfare mindset at the Fed.
Pathetic? Yes.
Will it really help? No.
But he is going to continue to do it because he really doesn't know what else to do(no one does).
One thing is for sure, he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to stand up to the Bankster crooks.
So he will continue to play his role in distracting the sheeple for as long as possible.
When it all comes crashing down all he will have to offer is....."Hoocoodanode?"
Dick Bove - Called a bottom in Financial services stocks for the 294th time. Watch out he will be right one day. Maybe. Right?
Glimmers of Dope.
Ac
+1
Steelhead that 50 dollars would have been better going to CR
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
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Glimmers of Dope.
I bet that one made Jas smile.....where ever he is.
The demons at Greedy Sacks of Crap are very smart... they steal billions and get away with it! No wonder they are the stars of Wall Street. America should be so proud of our capitalism, at its finest.
Obama is in bed with the demons. What can you do?
Showed the stage where BHO is ready to speak today at Georgetown. Teleprompters are all ready to go.
Obama is probably being told to get out there and cheerlead. Remember the whole psychological warfare mindset at the Fed.
Pathetic? Yes.
Will it really help?
I think it will help in the short term. However, O is spending a lot of his political capital at the wrong time. By the end of this year people would have forgotten about GB.
"Signs"????
This man is deluded.
So you would rather they be bankers instead of close to bankers?
The problem is not with bankers or private industry per se, the problem is that these institutions have been taken over by criminals.
Again, you have the same problem with any kind of technology that empowers people - there will be a tendency for those with a criminal mentality to use any kind of powerful tool to increase their own well-being at the expense of others.
This is the story of history, but the lesson isn't that you abandon these things that enable economic gains but that you punish criminals and in general create social pressures that make life very difficult for those who engage in immoral behavior.
Unfortunately you can't just rely on strong government or authority to solve these problems because then all the criminals gravitate towards bureaucracy.
It's one of the most difficult problems facing societies...
"Glimmers of Dope."
Excellent, YW! That 'splains it all!
I'll gladly pay you next Tuesday for a glimmer of hope today.
Nostrovia,
Want to see what happens when the teleprompter feed stops, and your leader has nothing to say?
REBear
Obama from the chatter I hear is using a lot of political capital on GM. Many people strongly believe that they should go BK while the others think it should be saved. There is not a lot of people who are in the middle.
The problem for Obama is that if he came in and turned the cart completely round the other way and we went down anyway(which was still very likely) then he'd be carrying ALL the blame. He is a politician and getting re-elected is a known strategy. There is no easy and slick way out of this mess, any road will be painful. The problem lies in the fact that what you don't know always seems better. As it stands he still has one Hoocoodanode card in his hip pocket based on the cards he was dealt..Whe he plays that then you'll know its really FUBAR
When will the 20-somethings that supported Obama realize that Hope/Change + ???? = a lot of unemployed 20-somethings? UE for 20-24 year-olds is already 15% so I'm guessing the "when" is upwards of 20%.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/us/13age.html
Someone should alert Obama to the fact that:
- unemployed people don't buy cars
- unemployed people don't buy houses
- unemployed people don't buy TVs
- unemployed people don't buy equities
- unemployed people don't buy boats
...
Unemployed people don't buy anything, nor do they pay any taxes. Unlike 2001-2003 this will be no "jobless recovery".
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The Zombie Apocalypse begins when U3 hits 15%
11:00 a.m. Economy must be built on rock, not sand, Obama says
Doesn't sand glimmer ?
ac,
"This is the story of history, but the lesson isn't that you abandon these things that enable economic gains but that you punish criminals and in general create social pressures that make life very difficult for those who engage in immoral behavior.
Unfortunately you can't just rely on strong government or authority to solve these problems because then all the criminals gravitate towards bureaucracy.
It's one of the most difficult problems facing societies... "
I am again humbled by your wisdom and succintness. Well done again ac.
Nostrovia,
Arbitrage
I knew George W, I worked with George W and in no way is BHO as "intellectually deficient" as George W.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't hear him cheerleading here. He says things are going to get worse and it ain't over. Turn on CNBC and listen to what they say and tell me who's cheerleading...
As for the "hope" part, what do you want him to say? We're all screwed and Mad Max is our future? I don't think the hope part is out of line or crazy either.
But please, do carry on...
"Where are the last six years of leverage earnings going to come from (now)?" - Rick Santelli
then he'd be carrying ALL the blame.
Wrong. He already carries the blame.
Once your spend several tera-bucks you own the fallout.
Obama could have done the equitable thing. He chose not to. He rode in on "Change" and seeks every day to uphold the status quo.
Your interests have been betrayed, as have mine.
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The Zombie Apocalypse begins when U3 hits 15%
Tim waiting for 2012 wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 8:19am.
Arbitrage
I knew George W, I worked with George W and in no way is BHO as "intellectually deficient" as George W.
+++++++++++++++++++
Watch that youtube of Bush again, and at around 25 seconds in, he has no idea what to say, his eyes are darting around looking for a way out. To me, it epitomizes everything he was all about, which was much ado about nothing.
Banking crisis over AIG, FRE, FNM all up double digits today.. And Citi.
Note the line in the speech about more "tough" and "unpopular" decision about AIG etc.. The unreal thing is AIG is Paulson's bad bank.
Tim Geitner better have gotten the same immunity because when someone in the admin finally stands up and refuses to play ball there will be another "deepthroat" in the making. One has to believe that there are Fed / treasury insiders reading Calculated Risk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc
Is this real? Did his teleprompter really go out?
The spice must flow.
Arbitage found a video for you see above
...what do you want him to say?
Speech suggestion:
"Timmay - gone!
Larry - gone!
Benny - persona non grata!
GM - gone!
A.G. - raiding and arresting as we speak!
Now, if you'll excuse me Im spending the rest of the morning coordinating an accelerated mid-east withdrawal timetable."
Obama Suddenly Panicked After Gazing Too Far Into Future
MADISON, WI-Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) fell deathly silent in the middle of a speech on education before the Wisconsin Teachers Union Tuesday, his failure of words reportedly a result of the Democratic nominee's forward-looking tendencies suddenly bringing him a harrowing glimpse of a future world shaped by madness and horror. "And that is why we must all strive to make our own tomorrow together," Obama said to resounding applause before stopping abruptly, breaking into a cold sweat, and bringing his trembling hands to his blanched face. "Oh, God, no. They're sentient. Every last one of them is sentient!"
From the Onion
fwiw, now long SRS and SKF for a trade. will initiate a short in C in the next few minutes.
this is the first time i have felt really good about shorting the financials since mid-January.
What am I -- I am but a man
I've only got two buckle-shoes
and two soft little hands
perhaps I loved you all too well
and pressed my suit too hot-aahh
for now it seems that I've become
persona non grata...
How have I given you offense
I always used a fingerbowl
and doused myself with scent
and I had you sent a greeting card
upon a silver platter
but you sent it back with this stern rebuke
persona non grata...
persona non grata...
Why must I sulk around your door
why can't I just turn my back
upon your strange allure
you know I'd tell you anything
and give you all I've got-aahh
if you would just tell me I'm not
persona non grata...
persona non grata...
As an aside, and not an Obama fan, he does seem to get it. He mentions the debt ponzi in every speech. Unfortunately the bankers and the consequences of not playing ball are simply too great to chance.
As an aside, and not an Obama fan, he does seem to get it. He mentions the debt ponzi in every speech. Unfortunately the bankers and the consequences of not playing ball are simply too great to chance.
Rob Dawg +1 Nothing going on in the White House on Congress can be called "Liberalism" or "Conservatism" it is lobby groups dictating from K street.
whachagonnadoo? There isn't enough real wealth to retire the debts the world has amassed, particularly the US. That can't be admitted publicly without panic and collapse. So, in order to build the confidence that appears necessary for people to resume some sort of economic normalcy, so hype Hope.
We can argue that letting the failures fail (die) is better than paying for intensive care, But what if the death becomes a pandemic, raging like a hemorhagic fever through the economic world without a cure?
I don't like the odds in either choice. However, I'm very sure that a Mad Max world that fulfills the 'nasty, brutish and short' description of life is far worse than economic theft on the grand scale by a small minority of the people. It has always been so, and perhaps that is inevitable given our evolved hardwiring for preservation.
Obama:
"...new roads and highways..."
[no new railways and subways]
No one has factored in the spike in unemployment come June when all the new graduates will hit the street. The US economy has to create about 300,000 jobs just to keep up with this growth in the employee base. While some may work part time for economic reasons and others will find full time work, the vast majority will remain jobless. Unemployment for part time economic reasons has risen higher than any other employment metric this recession than ever.
I am again humbled by your wisdom and succintness. Well done again ac.
Nostrovia,
Haha... I just read a few history books and such.
The problem economists and historians seem to have today is that for them all of history begins with the FDR presidency.
It's unfortunate that not enough Americans do not care enough to understand that The Triumph of the Banking Oligarchs continues ( and this will be Obama's nemesis no matter his other policy decisions which I mostly agree with ). Now if they could just read ( and comprehend ) just these 2 articles perhaps there would be be pitchforks and torches on Wall St. and protests much much bigger than the recent one in Fed Reserve in SF
The Quiet Coup
http://bit.ly/9QobY
If the IMF's staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation: recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform.
The Big Takeover
http://bit.ly/rpHLw
It's over - we're officially, royally f**ked.
But this is wishing too much for dumbed down MSM indoctrinated, fat, lazy and complacent America of today
Daily bail going in with you on the SRS. 50 shares is a lottery ticket
"[congrats to bobnbot who learned to spell calculated] "
He was channeling his inner GWB-
How can the housing plan "lead to a spike in the number of homeowners who are taking advantage of historically-low mortgage rates by refinancing"? If they are refinancing, they are already homeowners, and won't contribute to any spike. If they are becoming new homeowners, then they won't be refinancing. They're just financing.
The implied causality in that sentence is all wrong. I can't be near a TV when this goes on, but someone post if he actually says that. It makes no sense.
As Obama mentions "Those glimmers of hope far off in the distance", I wonder if he has heard of mirages ?
-K
Speech suggestion:
"Timmay - gone!
Larry - gone!
Benny - persona non grata!
GM - gone!
A.G. - raiding and arresting as we speak!
Now, if you'll excuse me Im spending the rest of the morning coordinating an accelerated mid-east withdrawal timetable."
^
Bravo...
I would add, "there is a thorough and ongoing investigation of the former administration and it's blindingly obvious contribution to our current crisis"
"One has to believe that there are Fed / treasury insiders reading Calculated Risk..."
I think so. I am also pretty sure someone in the Senate is a regular reader. I think it's one or more staffers of someone on the Finance Committee.
he does seem to get it. He mentions the debt ponzi in every speech. Unfortunately the bankers and the consequences of not playing ball are simply too great to chance.
I don't think he gets it. He is yet another in the long line of banker puppets. Until we get a president that stands up to the bankers, we are doomed.
"I turn it around in my head to read "helping families take on more debt"."
Don't worry, it's just to get them through to pay-day-
ac wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 8:27am.
The problem economists and historians seem to have today is that for them all of history begins with the FDR presidency.
Close. For economists history started December 23, 1913.
"In contrast to a HALLUCINATION, a MIRAGE is a real optical phenomenon which can be captured on camera, since light rays actually are refracted to form the false image at the observer's location. What the image appears to represent, however, is determined by the interpretive faculties of the human mind."
Maybe Obama is seeing China's future?
I think so. I am also pretty sure someone in the Senate is a regular reader. I think it's one or more staffers of someone on the Finance Committee.
If so, SCREW YOU to that sychophantic staffer. You're a Little Eichman.
We could always kill the bankers ourselves.
Now if there is just an intrepid MSM reporter or "blogger" willing to pursue the story...brother can you spare a dime
ac,

JimPortlandOR,
"There isn't enough real wealth to retire the debts the world has amassed, particularly the US. "
That's because we're all distracted by paper stuff. Most of the debts and such are obligations to give paper for paper. And the non-real stated value of that paper. And it's non-real forward earning potential.
The real stuff is still there, and for the most part is valuable, but is not necessarily in the hands of those who value it and know its use. Getting rid of the paper on paper on paper on paper claims is what should be happening. Bail outs gum up those works.
Nostrovia,
Tim waiting for 2012,
My opposition to GM bailout changed after banksters got their bailout check with no concessions. Why should rules for the connected and rich differ from those that trying to put food on the table?
The Bankers are just later-day Romanovs, about to lose their dynasty, but how they strive to keep the status quo alive & kicking.
re: Borocco Mama @8:05 - Whoah ! that's sharp and cruel but well deserved.
+1
-K
As Wiley Coyote is falling over the cliff, he sees a glimmer of hope as he approaches the tree branch sticking out the side.
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Comrade Janosik wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 8:31am.
Speech suggestion:
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Bravo...
I would add, "there is a thorough and ongoing investigation of the former administration and it's blindingly obvious contribution to our current crisis"
The problem with that is that a path through Bush leads directly to his predecessor. It ain't perfect but there are sound reasons we all tacitly agree to a clean break with the past when there is a change of administrations.
REBear There are two polarized sides on the GM issue and only one side will be happy at the end of the day.
Lose-Lose If BHO saves GM he will be called a Socialist, if he allows BK he will be called a American hating liberal.
"bearly (member) wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 8:00am.
Ben & Timmay conspired to light. We're totally screwed with these irresponsible perps at the helm."
Agree +10
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Black
Ranch
My opposition to GM bailout changed after banksters got their bailout check with no concessions. Why should rules for the connected and rich differ from those that trying to put food on the table?
They are both looters.
Although the case you identify does reveal that some looters are better than others.
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The Zombie Apocalypse begins when U3 hits 15%
Hold and hope......all I see coming from them. But it's the mantra of the system when a trade turns on you....."no loss until you sell", "long-term 'investments'".....among the other tired, old, worn out pieces of "advice".
Ciao
MS
Sekar wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 8:31am.
he does seem to get it. He mentions the debt ponzi in every speech. Unfortunately the bankers and the consequences of not playing ball are simply too great to chance.
I don't think he gets it. He is yet another in the long line of banker puppets. Until we get a president that stands up to the bankers, we are doomed.
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How does he get it? When all of his prescriptions are more debt? He would have got it had he said early on
"My fellow Americans we have all had a hell of a party and now we have to pay the bill both in terms of cash and a massive hangover. Government can make sure that the safety net is in place but more than that would simply be handing the bill for our party to our children"
Rick Santelli Father of the Tea Parties Vs. Steve Leisman Smackdown 4/13/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUAmviwQO3M
The juicy bits start at 27 seconds in.
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Learn the 7TH Amendment maggot! That's how you restrain the government.
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That glimmer of hope on the horizon is a wall street pirate ship leaving the scene after pillaging your vessel.
If only somebody could hoist the Jolly Roger over the trading floor of the NYSE, that would make my day.
Tim in 2012,
O will have to either save GM, or gut a bank along with GM to show they are equal.
I think he will take the easier route by postponing the June deadline.
'Parabellumism'; ha, ha, I believe!
I look forward to joining the organized, state-level armed citizenry (Constitutional concept of 'militia'). I hope a local chapter accept folks whose forebearers came from south of the border, but who believe in the Founding Fathers' ideals.
This is going to be ugly unless Obama wakes up and turns on his banksters.
Let every nation know, whether it buys our bonds or exports to us, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship - hold it, the whole point is to meet no, nada,zilch hardship - now, where was I - o yeah support any friend, oppose any one who wants to diminish our credit rating, in order to assure the surivial of bankers, and the success of borrowing our way to prosperity
To quote William J. Clinton: "Ah feel your pain".
Yours In Communism,
Kilgore Trout
The Moron in Chief is speaking. Will someone please make BO stop talking.
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Learn the 7TH Amendment maggot! That's how you restrain the government.
Red Beckman - Fully Informed Jury
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7385583011526915030&hl=en
Unfortunately, Parabellumism is most closely related to China, circa 1925...
Warlordism didn't catch on there. Perhaps we'll have more luck.
when banks succeed you succeed too. Now get out and shop dammit. I watched Martha Stewart on CNBC today. She was all hopeful because Americans love to shop and buy shiny stuff. I know your salary is falling behind inflation. Your house is worthless. School alone will bankrupt your family. But Martha wants you to buy some of her Chinese made pots and pans. Do it for the world, just one more time.
I think I'll open a new restaurant on Wall Street and call it Looters. The waite staff will be comprised of head waxed males handing out dough and moolah instead of bread. The specialties will be TARP tartar and Uncle Sam's Cooked Goose.
Is everyone here feeling good about the 3 month Treasury falling to 0.12? My stress test says things are out of control and Obama is a deer in the headlights!
I have nothing more to add, except:
Brilliant Borocco Mama!
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Learn the 7TH Amendment maggot! That's how you restrain the government.
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Michael!
Watch your mouth! Thats the President. You will pay him the respect he deserves or else!
http://afterthecrash.net - Home of the Doomer Story Portal and Other Stuff
"I knew George W, I worked with George W and in no way is BHO as "intellectually deficient" as George W."
Well, we certainly can't tell that by the Obamasiah's actions, now can we? But if you say so, it must be true. After all, we have a glimmer of hope. Unfortunately, no glimmer of intellegence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc
Is this real? Did his teleprompter really go out?
In the comments on that Youtube video, there's a link to a more "raw" feed of the speech. I'm the last guy who would be defending the Shrub, but in this case I think the deer in the headlights look is not due to a teleprompter failure but rather to his reaction to the heckler yelling out commentary.
"The problem is not with bankers or private industry per se, the problem is that these institutions have been taken over by criminals."
EXACTLY! This is why I've been advocating RICO for months now; The extraction of equity for these companies and their clients is reminiscent of mafia tactics from 30 years ago. Get into a company for whatever reason, build up debt and in the meantime, pilfer the assets, and then bankrupt it.
Further to your discussions of criminal personalities, when my Dad worked in the FL prison system, the JCs had one of their largest and most active chapters inside the prison where he worked. Many of these folks had the skills required of executives, and in fact had essentially run their own business, albeit in prostitution, drug dealing, illegal gambling, etc. Just a side note there....
yahooville. Alas.
Obama just told us to go out and shop.
Hope Now or else...
The thinly veiled racist remarks about Obama are getting really tiresome. If you want to insult him go for the jugular you craven shills.
OMG! He said it! The stress test is designed to determine how much more money is necessary to prop up the banks.
the biggest toxic asset out there is the US equity market.
"Stress tests will tell us how much more money banks need to continue lending"
Shop til you Drop has taken on a whole new meaning. We have dropped, and there's no getting up.
Help, We've Fallen and We Can't Get Up.
You can lay there and die, sucka.
In regard to the 3-month Treasury falling (crashing) does anyone think there will be any earnings report this week where any corporation will increase their dividend payout? I think we are headed to a stagflationary summer with a big taste of liquidity trap -- and then once the bailout cash burning by Obama continues to pick up pace, a full blown Great Depression will kick in for a very dark nuclear winter.
I have nothing more to add, except:
[11:00 a.m. Economy must be built on rock, not sand, Obama says
11:03 a.m. Fed buys $7.3 billion in Treasurys]
That's good. Sand is turning into quicksand.
"thinly veiled" is a slur on burka wearing islamic women. Misogynist Islamophobes!
I hate to say this, but the only realistic recovery is going to be built on the bodies of banksters, MBAs, doctors... etc.. The system is so broken and rigid that it cannot be patched.
Yes Obama, lets take that 1 dollar of debt and turn it into 8-10 dollars of debt. Crisis over!!!
Oopps, forgot we are only paying interest on our current debt payment obligations
Who cares about the economy, it broke. It's like kicking a dead horse
If you want something to get upset over, how about, the 5th hiring of a lawyer from the RIAA to now work for the DOJ
Rick Santelli Father of the Tea Parties Vs. Steve Leisman Smackdown 4/13/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUAmviwQO3M
The juicy bits start at 27 seconds in.
Someone seriously needs to put together a PSA commercial like that anti-drug ads that ran in the 80s/early 90s.
This is your brain.
This is your brain after watching CNBC.
Banks have to be wiped and reset... there is no other way..
Many other institutions have to be wiped and reset.. and the PTB have to start being honest. It might just save them from themselves.
Now if someone would do something about all the negative blogger we could get the recovery started.
cancel the obama gets it. He just said we need to give your tax money to the banks so that they can lend it back to you at a usury rate and we can then grow. I mean the logic here is so mindbogglingly stupid that it reads like disinformazia ministry of truth stuff. The GS news, the NY Times article claiming Stress tests all good and the WFC release just a replay of the WFC dividend raise last summer.
Hey Obama, lending isn't the problem, and saying it over and over doesn't make it so.
Is Timmy still doing 'everything possible' to get back bonuses from AIG?
[discussing TARP] "We will hold accountable those responsible."
Careful with your choice of words, Mr Great Orator.
How can no one be more angry about AIG than Obama when Ben Bernanke said exactly the same thing? Turbo Tim has probably said it too. But Obama promised he was the most angry. This is so confusing.
When is giving a company $200 billion not an intervention?
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" the daily bail wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 8:25am.
fwiw, now long SRS and SKF for a trade. will initiate a short in C in the next few minutes."
Good luck finding C shares to short, I have been searching for a good chunk for awhile, almost impossible.
And you wonder why their stock keeps going up.
If you can get some shares, though, you will make a killing once the new float is released.
Why does Obama think qualified borrowers are unable to get credit? He's mentioned 3-4 times but it is a flawed assumption that is distorting his thinking.
blah blah blah Multiplier Effect blah blah blah
Michael,
I got your email and I am okay with spanking you. I am not sure if I can find the costume you want me to wear. I may just have to go with the boots idea. Get back to me about when and where.
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"No on is more frustrated with AIG than I. I promise..."
["Derisive laughter"]
CNBC is the new Mickey Mouse Club. Maria Bartiromo is either the new Annette Funicello or the new Britney Spears, depending on your perspective.
O still thinks it's a liquidity problem. That one flawed notion is going to bring down his presidency if he doesn't change course.
Where is the "Mission Accomplished" banner?
Dead_Monkey_Bounce wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 12:03pm.
CNBC is the new Mickey Mouse Club. Maria Bartiromo is either the new Annette Funicello or the new Britney Spears, depending on your perspective.
Or age.
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Does he believe the bs he spews? Oh, I forgot, that what he is paid to do.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Debitude or Death!!!
His tone is defensive as hell.
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"This is going to be ugly unless Obama wakes up and turns on his banksters. "
Plu-leeez; Look at opensecrets.org and you'll see who helped put him in office; the financials and bankers.
Good defence and explanation of why we need banks.
NO REAL Reason given WHY the banks are not allowed to fail so that NEW BANKS will take their place.
You would think that the country is run by only the handful of banks...
...oh wait!
The banskters have one or two more crimes to pull before total collapse. Then they can fly to richistan or wherever. They will still need to keep enough selling of Treasuries going to support a tax base to support the US military. Other than need "protection" from the growing hoard off poor human trash (pirates) they are done with America.
I'm amazed at how easy the righty-tightys fall for any old pied piper, and there's plenty to chose from on CNBC.
qwefcs,
Yes, but we knew that Ben and Tim were both lying when they said it.
I would love to hear him say "Thank you China for exporting us a ton of cheap stuff that helped us live beyond our means, and financing the purchase of that stuff by buying out debt, good luck getting out of your trade."
Yes, qwefcs, he says nothing. Obama cloaks "responsibility" in the past tense (pols generally do not take responsibility) and puts "promises" squarely in the future (where there is no accountablility, either).
Many pols use word/sentence structure like that. It's what keeps them in business. Quite infuriating, IMO.
Bankers hated FDR
Bankers ate up BHO
Sigh, I wish he would just shut up, stop making vacuous speeches, and nationalise the banks already. I'm not spending a single penny on stocks until I see GS bankers being marched accross my TV screen in handcuffs. I'm on strike. There are other places to make money.
CR, I love your blog as I'm sure you know. However I was dismayed to see you feature a quote from a Goldman Sachs employee earlier today (End of Recessions and Unemployment Claims). Yeah, sure he is probably just some poor schmuck just trying to do his job, blah, blah, blah. But still, he chooses to continue to work for a criminal enterprise, no? So, by featuring him you are condoning and endorsing his firm, no? And by entension, CRIME? I just think it would be better to try to get quotes from people who don't work for criminal organisations. Just IMHO.
I keep hoping TaxCheatTimmy and that lizard Summers will be turfed out. Then Volker and a new team could clean house. Spitzer too (c'mon it was just a hooker). But as we all know, and O-bomb-a is soon to find out, hope is not a plan. (and yes I would have voted for him if I wasn't a for'ner).
You mean bailing out Real Estate and the Banks is not an act of economic populism?
How can no one be more angry about AIG than Obama when Ben Bernanke said exactly the same thing? Turbo Tim has probably said it too. But Obama promised he was the most angry. This is so confusing.
America must not tolerate an anger gap, or the purity of our precious bodily fluids is in great danger.
sweet, he is quoting Scriptures now.
Maybe he will get all biblical on the bankers soon.
sorry about the typos
"You mean bailing out Real Estate and the Banks is not an act of economic populism?"
Bailing out real estate and banks is to economic populism as taking hold of the whip and delivering forty lashes is to abolitionism.
S wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 8:26am.
As an aside, and not an Obama fan, he does seem to get it. He mentions the debt ponzi in every speech. Unfortunately the bankers and the consequences of not playing ball are simply too great to chance.
Sekar wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 8:31am.
I don't think he gets it. He is yet another in the long line of banker puppets. Until we get a president that stands up to the bankers, we are doomed.
CrazyV wrote: How does he get it? When all of his prescriptions are more debt? He would have got it had he said early on
"My fellow Americans we have all had a hell of a party and now we have to pay the bill both in terms of cash and a massive hangover. Government can make sure that the safety net is in place but more than that would simply be handing the bill for our party to our children"
@crazyV - it wasn't me that wrote it originally.
@S- please let us know how or why you think he gets it.
You could drive a truck through the holes in this speech.
"I got your email and I am okay with spanking you. I am not sure if I can find the costume you want me to wear. I may just have to go with the boots idea. Get back to me about when and where."
Will there be a video?
9 months before any new banking regulation...
We have the some problems that no one is addressing
1] The legal and patent systems have retarded innovations in almost all areas.
2] Any innovations success depends on how well you game a complex byzantine legal maze.
3] Society does not realize that MBA-types and financial-types try to rape innovators.. and the legal system stands behind them.
4] We confuse money with wealth.
5] We confuse notional money and real money.
6] The majority of people believe 'experts' whose only expertise lies in their ability to jump the inconsequential hoops neccessary to get into 'famous' institutions (which encourage groupthink).
7] We are not prepared to be objective about what our current level of technology can achieve and not achieve.
8] The whole business of medicine is a grotesque example of what I described in 7], as drugs and surgery are quite good at treating acute/ subacute conditions but, with a few exceptions, terrible at treating chronic diseases.
and the biggie
9] The vast majority of people still want the old system to wake up.. but it is dead and starting to rot..
The old ways are not going to work in a newer environment.
"9 months before any new banking regulation"
That's 9 Washington months.
The foundation of the new economy will be built on the rocks in his head.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aCzP5FwfUps0&refer=news
Oh god, we'll go from getting twenty cents on the dollar to getting zero. Why?
The lawyer Obama calling for more scientists and engineers. The Georgetown students politely applaud.
He really doesn't get it, does he: "we need engineers who can make things so we can export them".
how about we need engineers and scientist who can build things that improve the quality of life. Isn't that what economic growth is supposed to be about, not just exporting things overseas? That should be a side effect.
Does O really think financial math is the same as applied math used in material science engineering?
More engineers to do what? Doesn't he talk to his pals in IBM?
IBM hasn't engineered anything in 20 years or more; think of it as a giant sales org.
I think we could start by putting the legacy students and legacy alumini of "famous" universities in incinerators.. they are the concentration camp comandants of our day. The non legacy ivy leaguers are just the concentration camp guards and could be re-educated.
From previous thread, I pulled a reverse NEMO...I'm interested in your feedback...
This board provides a wealth of worthwhile information. I'm truly grateful for it. But, I believe most here are incorrectly assuming the end of the world at the same time while complaining about the game is rigged (as if you didn't know this already).
What if this situation is a 7 - 8 out of 10 (worldwide deep recession and crisis) on the scale of the GD being a 9.5 (worldwide calamity) and the deeper recessions of the last century being a 5 - 6 (73-74, 80 -82 etc).
To Crazy's point, the consumer's not coming back in the US...too much credit has been taken away, unemployment increasing for the coming year(, temporary energy savings won't likely remain, home atm's are gone. Wealth affect in full affect with homes and investment portfolios/401ks. None of this should improve in the coming year and how long would you expect prior to it "normalizing" back to 2003 - 2007 levels...I assume at least a decade, if ever.
The world is flat and the world has changed. Competition has increased, wages will permanently decline, we might have more anouncements ie Sallie Mae to bring back a portion of oversees jobs as due to the above, talent pool increased for jobs available. US standard of living is on permanent decline. Work week hours will increase.
Retailers without distinguishable/remarkable brands will suffer greatly. Those branding and running well, WalMart, Target, McD's, Nordstrom, Apple, Best Buy..those stuck in the middle of branding hell, JCPenny, Macy's, probably Sears etc. Online shopping will become more prevelant, mall shopping on permanent decline. Most retailers will be in the midst of permanent decline.
It's not the end of the world, just a brand new one imo.
Why doesn't O take some of that Bullshit and spread it in his organic garden.
" Lucifer (member) wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 9:12am.
We have the some problems that no one is addressing
1] The legal and patent systems have retarded innovations in almost all areas.
2] Any innovations success depends on how well you game a complex byzantine legal maze... "
Amen.
Best post I have seen here in a long time.
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Not true... they have done very good research in chip design and manufacturing + designing even better mainframes. They also do a fair deal of theoretical research.
But you are right.. i that they could do more if they were run by people who were not constrained by the financial and legal idiots who have f**ked the system.
//IBM hasn't engineered anything in 20 years or more; think of it as a giant sales org.//
Wow,...it's like some of you have never heard a politician speak before.
This situation reminds me of that Game Theory example in which a general is given two possibilities: one way he loses 20% (?) and the other he has a chance (30%?) to get everybody out or lose everybody. Don't remember the exact percentages, but suffice it to say that the generals never take the sure loss,...although that's the best strategy according to Game Theory.
Thanks Tiger!
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" ghostfacedinvestah wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 12:15pm.
He really doesn't get it, does he: "we need engineers who can make things so we can export them".
how about we need engineers and scientist who can build things that improve the quality of life. Isn't that what economic growth is supposed to be about, not just exporting things overseas? That should be a side effect."
Didn't all of the scientists and engineers who couldn't get a job due to the influx of H1-B visa recipients go into finance and help create this mess? Additionally, why put up with the headaches of being an engineer when the real place to make money is in finance ( FWIW, I'm an engineer). We need a society where wealth distribution does not gravitate towards a select group; and this should not be accomplished by transfer payments, since that is a bigger drag on the hard work and innovation than anything mentioned by Lucifer. We need equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes.
"If only somebody could hoist the Jolly Roger over the trading floor of the NYSE, that would make my day. "
Sounds like a job for Serf Allengreenspend and the Yesmen.
Yes, I agree. It is not the end but the starting point of a new world. The only problem is all the people who, for various reasons, are going to get run over on the way there.
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Hmmm, the markets are not really feeling Obama's love today. Something about green shoots turning to brown stems on marketwatch...
Alright, he's just going in circles. We are going to get out of this, but this is unsustainable. We are going to cut spending, welfare programs, defense, entitlements. But we can't stop spending now; eventually we'll stop spending. Blah blah blah
A little OT, but...from market ticker and Makethemaccountable.com:
"Goldman (and other banks') "Hedges" (by Karl Denninger at The Market Ticker)
There is a rumor about Goldman Sachs flying around on the street - allegedly they are about to report their second-best quarter in history, +$12 billion or so… Gee, you don't think being paid by the taxpayer through AIG's "conduit" for losses that didn't (yet) happen at 100 cents on the dollar might have anything to do with that, do you? And further (and potentially much worse) there is the repeated statement by Goldman executives that they were "fully hedged" against a potential counterparty default by AIG. One wonders - was that "hedge" to be short the equity on AIG itself, perhaps?... [I]f that's how Goldman hedged they got paid twice and the taxpayer literally got robbed.
We the people deserve answers on this right now and if persons in our government handed these banks $100 billion dollars of our tax money for what was a covered bet, allowing them to collect twice on a risk that had not yet been realized … every single person involved in that scandal must be immediately removed from office, prosecuted if possible, and every nickel of those funds must be clawed back by whatever means are necessary."
traderwalt
Entitlement reductions! More overreaching.
He claims that national health care will bring down costs.
He wants a bi-partisan "solution" to Social Security. Snigger. Newsflash BO; you own the whole thing, it's yours. You want higher taxes? Don't expect a Republican fig leaf.
GiezCubed,
If the world follows what you are saying... then we are truly f**ked. I do not think you appreciate the secondary and tertiary effects of what you are saying.
What you said would have worked in a world where a demographically young west had bombers, tanks and machine guns (an the others had none). If the west tries to pull that off, they are in for a world of hurt. The non-primary effects of what you say would essentially seal the west's fate... forever.
Lucifer, you're really stretching claiming that IBM is pushing boundaries with PowerPC chips or Mainframes... Intel is way ahead in the processor game, most of which is fab/process driven.
why does Obama want me to live in a "house in Iraq" [sic?]
The level of insincerity and doublespeak out of Obama is truly something to behold. A lot of dope 'mericans, that's for sure.
1+1 = 97354823 !
When do we get the impeachment hearings ?
It's not the end of the world, just a brand new one imo.
A brand new one that people are NOT prepared to deal with calmly and rationally.
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why does Obama want me to live in a "house in Iraq" [sic?]
It's that or Pakistan. I'd take Iraq.
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It is clear that Obama is no Roosevelt. Either one of them.
@ michael 8:48
Replace speaking with typing, BO with M, and talking with typing, and just about sums it up
My new phrase "Speedbump People"
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No.. it is the technology of chip making, not the design I am talking about. Plus they do make/ help make chips for many non-intel companies.
The z series are very well designed machines, and though they do not release a new model each year - every generation has been a big leap over the previous one.
//Lucifer, you're really stretching claiming that IBM is pushing boundaries with PowerPC chips or Mainframes//
"The stress test is designed to determine how much more money is necessary to prop up the banks.
Yep, Rob, I heard it too - and was equally astounded. I should have seen it coming! The Stress Tests make all the sense in the world, now - an outline for future financial needs for banks.
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But you are right.. i that they could do more if they were run by people who were not constrained by the financial and legal idiots who have f**ked the system.
That is why they just go overseas to places like India or China.
bearly (member) wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 9:30am.
The level of insincerity and doublespeak out of Obama is truly something to behold. A lot of dope 'mericans, that's for sure.
---yeah reminds me of bush 2, clinton,, bush 1 , reagan
havent had a fairly sincere and upright leader since carter...and the press, public and pols ate him for breakfast
mock turtle
mt
It's weird at this point to find Obama isn't different from Bush, at all. ( I won't count nonsense for the base, like stem cells)
Goldman profits a couple of lousy bil....I'm getting a couple of inches of rain!!!! who doing better!
I voted for Carter. I thought he was the most sincere president we ever had.
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I use to work for a telecom/networking company. We designed a 32 processing core single chip device back in 2003 which was manufactured by IBM. This was long before Intel or AMD got into the multicore processing market. IBM focuses on higher end processing in most cases. Intel is not even in that market yet.
Arbitrage Macht Frei wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 7:05pm.
I expect a new economy to emerge on the basis of might is right, combined with hundreds of millions of guns..
Yeah ... I'm thinking the same thing. Arms sales have been an exponential growth industry for half a century.
As for the 'Obama without a teleprompter' video, that's pretty weak. When someone puts together a montage like this, get back to me.
I just did a search at IBM for chip related jobs. I found 13 in total. 12 of them was for interns.
Obviously we need more engineers.
goadam +1
mock turtle +1
"And taken together, these actions are starting to generate signs of economic progress. Because of our recovery plan, schools and police departments have cancelled planned layoffs. Clean energy companies and construction companies are re-hiring workers to build everything from energy efficient windows to new roads and highways."
What ? Economic Progress? Canceled Layoffs? More wishful thinking by the Govt but I guess they figure on creating enough phoney money to pay their way through anything.
I can't believe for a moment that it is just that simple, or that they truly feel progress has been made.
'IBM hasn't engineered anything in 20 years or more'
That is so ignorant that it isn't worth the time to refute - what IBM hasn't done is create mass market consumer products which people confuse with actual cutting edge technology.
Though there is a certain processor called Cell - ever heard of the Playstation 3? Read more here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)
'In 2000, Sony Computer Entertainment, Toshiba Corporation, and IBM formed an alliance ("STI") to design and manufacture the processor.
The STI Design Center opened in March 2001.[12] The Cell was designed over a period of four years, using enhanced versions of the design tools for the POWER4 processor. Over 400 engineers from the three companies worked together in Austin, with critical support from eleven of IBM's design centers.[12]
During this period, IBM filed many patents pertaining to the Cell architecture, manufacturing process, and software environment. An early patent version of the Broadband Engine was shown to be a chip package comprising four "Processing Elements," which was the patent's description for what is now known as the Power Processing Element. Each Processing Element contained 8 APUs, which are now referred to as SPEs on the current Broadband Engine chip. Said chip package was widely regarded to run at a clock speed of 4 GHz and with 32 APUs providing 32 GFLOPS each, the Broadband Engine was shown to have 1 teraflop of raw computing power. This design was fabricated using a 90 nm SOI process.[13]
In March 2007 IBM announced that the 65 nm version of Cell BE is in production at its plant in East Fishkill, New York.[13][14]
Again in February 2008, IBM announced that it will begin to fabricate Cell processors with the 45 nm process.[15]
In May 2008, IBM introduced the high-performance double-precision floating-point version of the Cell processor, the PowerXCell 8i,[16] at the 65 nm feature size.
In May 2008, an Opteron- and Cell-BE-based supercomputer, the IBM Roadrunner system, became the world's first system to achieve one petaFLOPS. The Cell BE-based Roadrunner system is currently the worlds fastest supercomputer as represented by the Top500 list. The world's three most energy efficient supercomputers, as represented by the Green500 list, are similarly based on the PowerXCell 8i.'
There are a lot of things to criticize about IBM, but ignoring the fact that it is one of the world's dominant creators of technology is almost as silly as Lucifer insisting that technology breakthroughs never come from companies whose business is technology.
And yes, IBM has become much more a services/marketing company than in the past, no question. But then, it actually always was - it was just in the past, the only organizations that could afford what IBM offered were governments or giant corporations like banks or insurance companies, meaning that the IBM lived on the gravy train with minimal effort, until someone with connections upset the apple cart. What, you thought Bill Gates was some outsider? - 'Mary Maxwell Gates [his mother] was deeply involved in the work of the United Way for many years before her passing in 1994, most notably as its first female chair. And one of the connections she made through that work back in 1980 was to John Opel, the chairman of IBM who was also a member of the United Way's executive committee.
It's become fairly clear in the years since that at least part of the reason IBM was willing to hire Microsoft to create an operating system for the initial release of the IBM PC was because of the introductions made through that connection. Taking a risk on an unproven small software company was a big leap to take, and it's one that ended up being the greatest turning point in the history of the biggest software company that's ever been created.' http://dashes.com/anil/2008/06/bill-gates-and-the-greatest-tech-hack-eve...
Have obama open up more gulags. It would provide more construction jobs and there is currently no overbuilding.
obama speaks market dives.
He is becoming completely irrelevant in these glamour "glimmer" speeches that are parroted by his gang of taxpaying challenged bubble blowers. It's always a glimmer. Is there something less than a glimmer but not as horrific as we are fucked?
How about "glimerette", or "glim", or maybe "glimage" for the description of seeing something at the end of the nightmare, but not really knowing what it is?
This is going to be looked at in the future as one epic sad period of a president that COULD of done the right things in the economy, but instead surrounded himself with Harvard ethical pygmies and craven money freaks.
History will not be kind, and it is sad as I had the highest hopes for him, and he turned out to be the darling of the flat screen Democrats.
Link to full text of Obama's speech:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/14/719870/-President-Obamas-Eco...
I'm still concerned about propping up zombie banks and some fundamental aspects of how we will have to ultimately solve this crisis, but Obama does addresses opposition points commonly discussed here. Overall, I think it's a good speech.
"" GiezCubed,
If the world follows what you are saying... then we are truly f**ked. I do not think you appreciate the secondary and tertiary effects of what you are saying.
What you said would have worked in a world where a demographically young west had bombers, tanks and machine guns (an the others had none). If the west tries to pull that off, they are in for a world of hurt. The non-primary effects of what you say would essentially seal the west's fate... forever. ""
Modern society is incredibly expensive to maintain and without something approaching consumerism or a massive export state it can't be maintained. Few democratic or republican societies want to be the next Sparta.
Lucifer touches on a good point. Whats killing us is demographics. The West (and I include Eastern Europe and the developed parts of Asia here) has at best static population. Most of them are declining. As examples -- the median age on Scotland is 39 and the birth rate is about 1.5 -- this means that Scotland has a shrinking and aging population who need fewer consumer goods and more health care -- from a merchants POV its a disaster.
Hong Kong is even worse off as the birth rate there is about .9. This means in a generation to population will be halved! and what remains will be quite elderly.
Pretty much the same in Japan, much of the EU and if we hadn't imported massive numbers of highly natal Mexicans - here too ... (ours was 1.7 in the 1970')
When added to our excess efficiency it leaves us in a precarious place. The nations that have growing population simply are hostile to us and have societies that well don't support modernity
A military threat isn't what I am worried about -- sub launched predator drones with nerve gas are cheap if it comes to that .. What worries me is the downward economic spiral --
harry wrote at 1034
"hsitory will not be kind to him (obama)
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gosh jee whiz 3 months into obamas term and history has already pronounced its verdict
hey i dont like tarp and i dont like geithner nor summers
but i listened to the entire speech, (and it was a good speech)
before forming an opinion...
the nay sayers who abound on this thread are engaged in wishful thinking
wishing obamas presidency fails, i hope he succeeds...the jury is still out
mt
Anybody who doesn't know what SOI means is not qualified to discuss IBM and technology-
'SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Seeking to take the lead in another emerging technology, IBM Corp.'s Microelectronics Group has rolled out what it claims is the industry's first 45-nm, silicon-on-insulator (SOI) foundry offering.
IBM has also bolstered parts of the shaky SOI supply-chain to propel its initial SOI foundry service in the market. But some wonder if the technology will gain traction amid the current IC slowdown and economic crisis.
To fuel a new class of SOI designs, IBM will provide a 45-nm foundry service within its own fabs. As part of the plan, Singapore's Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing Pte. Ltd. will act as a ''second source'' foundry for IBM's 45-nm SOI offering. And ARM Holdings plc announced a physical intellectual-property (IP) library offering for IBM's SOI technology.
With SOI, IBM appears to have taken the lead in another technology. The company and its foundry partners have recently announced a high-k/metal-gate offering at the 32-nm node, putting the group ahead of its rivals in Taiwan. In comparison, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd. (TSMC) and United Microelectronics Corp. (UMC) separately will not offer a high-k/metal-gate solution until the 28-nm node.
In the digital foundry markets, IBM also appears to have a lead in SOI. Germany's X-Fab Semiconductor Foundries AG provides a Bipolar-CMOS-DMOS (BCD) offering on SOI for analog/mixed-signal designs. ARM and UMC have promoted a 65-nm SOI offering with marginal success. And over the years, TSMC has been in--and mostly out--of SOI, generally claiming it has seen little demand for the technology.
SOI makes use of a layered silicon-insulator-silicon substrate in place of conventional bulk substrates in IC manufacturing. SOI-enabled devices are said to reduce parasitic device capacitance, thereby boosting performance. IBM claims 45-nm SOI can offer up to a 30 percent performance improvement or 40 percent power reduction, when compared to bulk silicon.'
http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212001346
The article goes on in more detail, for anyone interested.
IBM believes in more than the imaginary property so beloved by some posters here - IBM believes, and profits handsomely from this belief, in actually being able to manufacture real things for real customers for real money. And IBM remains one of the few organizations on this globe able to do such work, which requires massive amounts of capital, skill, technology, and customers with big checkbooks who know precisely what they are buying with their money - which tends to be products that no one else is able to provide.
And quite honestly, IBM is unlikely to lose that edge any time soon - they aren't GM, after all.
But please, don't confuse your dinky desktop with what IBM makes its money providing - it would be like comparing a tricycle with a Tour de France racing bicycle in terms of speed and weight. And price, of course.
Stress Tests: Who Will Take the Fall?
To view our impartial assessment, please visit:
www.TheValueatRisk.blogspot.com
Impartial? You offer no assessment just that a nameless bank will fall excluding GS. Wow, amazing analysis. Shameless self promotion on the back of CR.
Hey, we're all Goldman Sach's bitch
Zack, "where" are you observing from?
I see a lot of cynicism here. Obama didn't create this problem. Private-sector thieves and Republicans did, by creating loans to people who couldn't afford it and then not policing the re-selling of those "counterfeit" loans.
>> Hope is not an investment Strategy
He didn't say it was.
>> so the glimmer of hope seems to revolve around pushing more debt on people.
At lower interest rates, people get to save more of their money. (If they have a job.)
>> Teleprompters are all ready to go.
Everybody uses a teleprompter or notes.
>> When will the 20-somethings that supported Obama realize that Hope/Change + ???? = a lot of unemployed 20-somethings? UE for 20-24 year-olds is already 15% so I'm guessing the "when" is upwards of 20%.
Holy shit. You're already blaming Obama for this economic crisis? This debt-to-GDP crisis was 40 years in the making, probably from around the time we wasted a lot of money in Vietnam and couldn't pay for it without taking ourselves off the gold standard. Economies don't turn on a dime. The bankstas created trillions in counterfeit over an 8 year period. Do you expect the hangover to take less than 2 years? I'll be happy if it's just 4. I expect it to get much worse (for average Americans) before it gets better. As for the "20-somethings", maybe the "20-somethings" that support Joe The Plumber will understand this some day.
I stopped reading the rest of comments. Otherwise, I'll probably write another 20 responses.
gosh jee whiz 3 months into obamas term and history has already pronounced its verdict
hey i dont like tarp and i dont like geithner nor summers
but i listened to the entire speech, (and it was a good speech)
before forming an opinion...
the nay sayers who abound on this thread are engaged in wishful thinking
wishing obamas presidency fails, i hope he succeeds...the jury is still out
mt
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There's no possible way to for him to succeed. Wealth creation for the past few decades in America has been driven by debt. It is illusory, paid for by foreign interests that had faith in the dollar because of its track record and foreign suppliers that needed consumers for its goods. The truth is we are half as wealthy as we think we are. We are drowning in debt, our manufacturing base has crumbled, the only things we specialize in anymore are movies, med tech and microchips. But otherwise we are a nation swapping worthless papers on Wall Street and handing each other Big Macs.
The best thing Obama could do is help negotiate as soft a landing to the new reality as possible, but instead his administration, just like most other people, refuses to accept reality. So he's going to built up even more debt and send the USG crashing down along with the economy. Just like the idiots running California.
"I stopped reading the rest of comments. Otherwise, I'll probably write another 20 responses."
....thank you
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"The stress test is designed to determine how much more money is necessary to prop up the banks", says Obama
..........about the only thing that was new.
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A lot of nothing. Why bother?
It is like that marketing phrase-
When the hype is better than the product
"O" give us some chainsaws and we will clear the path so we can get out of the woods! Giving the bankers money is a waste!
Don't talk to me about the glimmer of hope in the sweet bye and bye rather tell me what you are going to do now to the growing unemployment. What are you going to do to help the people and not only just the banks. If bailing out the banks is the cure what are we expected to do while things get worse and the cure does not seem to have much hope of providing any relief in the foreseeable future.. Enough of the pap let have some specifics.
"way off in the distance, we can see a vision of an America's future that is far different than our troubled economic past." .....You are looking thru a strong telescope. Our future will not return to rosey until the American Corporate heads return manufacturing and good paying jobs back to this country. They will hold steadfast to cheap labor so we are doomed for quite a while yet. When will corporate America realize that the American public has to have money before they will again make money? Hopefully laid off Americans are educating themselves to beat boredom.
Part of the problem of "history starting with FDR" is that prior to him there is virtually no decent data to look at, and even durring FDR's time the data is pretty thin. Most of the good data sets start in 1947. For example, go to the St. Louis Fed database and see what you can find pre 47. Not to much and what is there tends to be annual not quarterly or monthly.
Sort of the drunk looking for his keys under the streetlamp effect.
The speech was good.
Politician's words are empty, watch what they do and what bills they support. In my actions you will know me.
"The best thing Obama could do is help negotiate as soft a landing to the new reality as possible, but instead his administration, just like most other people, refuses to accept reality. So he's going to built up even more debt and send the USG crashing down along with the economy. Just like the idiots running California. "
The fact is that to negotiate that soft landing takes spending and debt to accomplish. The deficit was already very high, and headed up. When the economy tanks, so do tax collections. If you try to cut spending to match the fall in tax collections, then the economy will fall faster, resulting in yet less in the way fo tax collections.
What exactly would a soft landing to the new reality look like? Perhaps it might be that people can have some access to basic health care even if they are out of a job. Perhaps extending unemployment benefits so they are not totally without an income after 27 weeks. Perhaps, it would be trying to put people to work in green energy, something that will reduce our trade deficit over the long run, enhance our national security (thus over time allowing milatary spending to decline as a % of GDP) and oh, just might save the whole friggin planet.
Oh, but he cant spend any money to try to negotiage that soft landing!
I think he struck the right tone. Things are going to be tough, even worse than they are now, but we will get through it and have a better economy. We are no longer rappelling down the cliff, but are still walking down hill and might soon be at the valley floor. Off in the distance we can see the mountains of the other side of the valley, but they are still far away, and it is not a pleasant trip to reach them.
I've heard it all - yeah Cell/Power Architecture is cutting edge... BTW IBM just got around to making the Cell using 45nm technology, something that Intel has been doing for over a year. IBM press releases and Wikipedia aside, let me know when they start building CPU's using their 32 nm high-k metal gate process; my bet is that Intel will get high yield 32-nm production to market before IBM. IBM is an assembly, sales, and services company with some engineering on the side; much of the engineering work is done by their 'partners'. Maybe it's the air around 101/237...
"The problem is not with bankers or private industry per se, the problem is that these institutions have been taken over by criminals."
so where is the prosecution??
In the bleak days of nineteen-eighty-three, as England languished in the doldrums of a ruinous monetarist policy, the good and loyal men of the Permanent Assurance Company-- a once-proud family firm, recently fallen in hard times-- strained under the yoke of their oppressive new corporate management.
Pushed beyond the bounds of decent and reasonable victimisation, the aged retainers take their destiny in their own hands and-- Mutiny!
And so, the Crimson Permanent Assurance was launched upon the high seas of international finance.
There it lay, the prize they sought, the richest jewel in the crown of the I.M.F.: a financial district swollen with multi-nationals, conglomerates, and fat, bloated merchant banks.
Hidden behind the faceless, towering canyons of glass, the world of high finance sat smug and self-satisfied as their future, in the shape of their past, slipped silently through the streets, returning to wreak a terrible revenge.
Adopting, adapting, and improving traditional business practises, the Permanent Assurance puts into motion an audacious and totally unsuspected takeover bid.
And so, heartened by their initial success, the desperate and reasonably violent men of the Permanent Assurance battled on... until, as the sun set slowly in the west, the outstanding return on their bold business venture became apparent: the once-proud financial giants lay in ruins, their assets stripped, their policies in tatters.
It's fun to charter an accountant
And sail the wide accountancy,
To find, explore the funds offshore
And skirt the shoals of bankruptcy!
It can be manly in insurance.
We'll up your premium semi-annually.
It's all tax deductible.
We're fairly incorruptible,
We're sailing on the wide accountancy!
Obviously, Barry et. al. realize the complete fallacy of our paper economy. But I'm still holding out for them to actually do something about it. Till then, it's business as usual until they find a way to usurp the International Bankster Conglomerates. Remember, unlike the Crimson Permanent Assurance, private industry now transcends geographical political barriers; and there is nothing left to plunder, so we'll have to "actually" engineer a solution or completely fail. No other feasible choices exist. It could take a decade (if at all), so am I surprised Barry has disclosed little or nothing of an actual overarching plan to wrangle control of the international monetary system and US political interest? Absolutely not. He would be completely retarded to show his hand.
Have some faith... skeptical faith and prepare yourself for a revolution should it be necessary. No one implicitly deserves your trust, but everyone deserves your concerted deliberation and unwavering skepticism.
"I think he struck the right tone. Things are going to be tough, even worse than they are now, but we will get through it and have a better economy. We are no longer rappelling down the cliff, but are still walking down hill and might soon be at the valley floor."
At the moment everything is a vision. His actions were bailing out the crooks, and keeping the status quo that caused this mess. Noone blaimed obama for not having vision but for not having the guts/knowledge.
The Fed is going to need a bigger helicopter.
- Nemo