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No more free rent?


one word: cramdown


And these foreclosures will hit the bottom line ...

They can't pretend it is just an inventory problem anymore ...


egads. wait, was that one of the green shoots? (does that phrase irritate anyone else here? Bugs me to know end.)

Where's CSC when you need him? He coulda just cut them green shoots down and smoked em.

HAL : I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. (CHONG : Dave's not here.)


There goes the glimmer of hope for the MSM dopes who did not consider the foreclosure suspension in their happy face real estate comments. LOL!


Do foreclosures occur in dopey banana republic? Jas you wold be proud - no more fraudsters.
http://thebarricadeblog.com/2009/04/11/the-top-10-signs-you-are-living-i...


My aunt and cousin who work processing foreclosures have been very busy lately.


Jingle banks?


green shoot I hear it and I have that jarring sound of steve liesman and the dingbat Erin Burnett


The macro situation doesn't improve until the Jobs come back...

So I'm thinking today about the "new jobs" in the "new economy"... Seems like the plan is to create jobs in 4 areas... Healthcare, Education, Government, Green Energy...

Healthcare spending helps if we are short able bodied men / women to do the work... So if unemployment hits 2% and we have no immigration....

Education helps if there is something that we could produce and export, but aren't smart enough to do the work. If only we had more skilled workers to staff GM's plants... If ONLY!

Government is funded by taxes.. Direct taxes on production/consumption and via inflation... So making that bigger doesn't help...

We are left with Green Energy... Hopefully the Chinese are in desperate need of massive amounts of "green" energy.

Not sure what exactly green energy is, 140 volts?


Just when the crapper is full, the banks all get diarrhea at the same time...

This could get messy.


@Arbitrage

Now that's funny.. Damn funny...


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Big banks are the BIG problem. Thyeylove big govt.

Jas


On 2nd thought, it's more like financial projectile vomiting.


1) Foreclosures generate very large losses for mortgage lenders ("motivated seller" discount, long time without mortgage payments, fees, etc). While servicing companies can benefit from this, mortgage lenders will not.
2) The Senate is scheduled to take on the mortgage cram-down legislation in a couple of weeks. This legislation would simplify dealing with securitized mortgages.
3) The government just announced a program to subsidize mortgage mods
4) The political climate is already quite toxic for banks, not a good time to step on Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer

What gives? I can only explain it by home owners throwing in the towel and banks picking up the pieces


Big Banks are predatory zombies that should be foreclosed on.
Economic recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform.
Obama are you listening ?


Buck the fanks.


MRM good point!

............


Obama's analogy to a doctor, 'do no greater harm', made no sense.


nades - DNFTT


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"Obama are you listening ?"

YES, Obama is listening to the BIG banks (via their agents like Summers) and doing what they desire. Obama sucks Government Sucks!

Jas


First they relaxed the rules, then they ex-laxed.


Funny how this coincides roughly with the lifting of "mark to market" FASB guidance. Kicking out the rabble makes a lot more sense now that you can keep that rotting 2005 vintage McShitbox on your books at the original sale price.


"I'm not a dictator. It's just that I have a grumpy face." - Gen. Augusto Pinochet

I guess every good Country needs a dictator, or two or three or..........

"The Department of Homeland Security's 9-page report that was sent to local police departments says the federal government "will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months" to gather information on "rightwing extremist activity in the United States". Not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority."

.........Drudge Report of course - where else?

- - - - -

Black Star Ranch


As for health care, that isnt exactly going to be a big opportunity in the short term, but might work if we decide to throw bazillions of taxpayer dollars at reform. And to see how that will go, have a look at how it is working for Taiwan. Great for patients, but the only way you'll get it done is to underestimate costs. Hmm, come to think of it, seems to be working that way in Massachusetts too.

here's the latest from the wsj on health care employment prospects :

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123958719598112571.html

HAL : I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. (CHONG : Dave's not here.)


thx for the exorcism CR.

HAL : I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. (CHONG : Dave's not here.)


When else would banks try to unload record amounts of inventory? Same time next year?

You can't move that much product during the slow fall/winter seasons. The risk of waiting another full year, and further price declines, is not worth the potential for par value bailout. So you can swing 6 months and spin it as good PR for having a moratoria on foreclosures. Plus you get the benefit of increasing information over time, if housing had bottomed the banks were not exposed to underperform the crowd.

This has been expected for many months.


Rumor has it if you hold your ear up against a foreclosed home, you can hear the value decline.


In lovely sonoma county 70% of the mortgages made in '05 through '07 were exotics.median prices reached 12x median income and DTI's were at 55% of "stated income". I suspect we might have a few foreclosures on the way...

Tom Stone


You can go on any of the RE sites and see this in action, at least, you'll notice if youve been paying attention. Just do any of your typical searches in the areas youve been watching, and youll find now that the listings explode if you include foreclosures. See sacramento, for example. For a while, during the winter, listings were light in general, but foreclosures seemed ultralight. Now, forgettabout it. Can hardly see the map on some sites for all the markers.

HAL : I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. (CHONG : Dave's not here.)


""Rumor has it if you hold your ear up against a foreclosed home, you can hear the value decline.""

Heh, I can hear that even in the home I own. Not a pleasant sound, either...


..... and thus is a big reason bank profits were so robust. No new foreclosures for 3-5 months = no significant new writedowns.


i hear ya Tom...im waiting and watching for my move back to the bay area....still way overpriced in the nicer areas, but some places are down HUGE. I feel so sorry for a friend...bought at 400k plus in 2003...now down to 250, after a peak of 500+. This is oakland, by the way....but the pricey zips thereabout and piedmont havent really budged much. That wont change until more of the option arm resets come in. But there are tons of foreclosures in the nice places too. You see these million dollar places in foreclosure and wonder, what the heck were people thinking?

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Some back of envelop calculation.

2009 - 2.1 million foreclosure
2008 - 1.7 million foreclosure

total about ~4million. assuming average each house is 250,000 and foreclosure cost banks 50% of the value of the house
0.5 * 4 million * 0.25 million = 500 billion

Foreclosure of 2008 and 2009 will cost banks billion ~500 billion. Does this sound about right? I suspect banks don't loose 50% of the value of the house so the number should be smaller. Anyway, 500 billion doesn't sound so bad.


The plot thickens!

From NY Times

U.S. Planning to Reveal Data on Health of Top Banks

The administration has decided to reveal some sensitive details of the stress tests now being completed after concluding that keeping many of the findings secret could send investors fleeing from financial institutions rumored to be weakest.
...
The administration's hand may have been forced in part by Goldman Sachs, which successfully sold $5 billion in newly issued stock on Tuesday and declared that it would use the proceeds and other private capital to repay the $10 billion it accepted from the government in October.
...
Goldman's action has put pressure on other financial institutions to do the same - or risk being judged in far worse shape by investors. The administration feared that details on healthier banks would inevitably leak out, leaving weaker banks exposed to speculation and damaging market rumors, possibly making further bailouts more costly.
...
"The purpose of this program is to prevent panics, not cause them," said one senior official involved in the stress tests who declined to speak on the record because the extent of the disclosures are still being debated. "And it's becoming clearer that we and the banks are going to have to explain clearly where each bank falls in the spectrum."

Two senior officials said on Tuesday that they are now likely to encourage the banks to reveal a range of information, perhaps including the size of losses the banks could suffer under each of the "stress scenarios." Critics of the testing system, however, have questioned whether the scenarios are extreme enough.


Oh noez! GS just keeps popping up all over the place...At one point does the citizenry say enough?


Staged Homes Being Burglarized !!!

Entrepreneurship survives. Evil


The purpose of this program is to prevent panics


Happy Teabaggingday Eve everybody


No job = No Income

No income = No Mortgage Payments

No Mortgage Payments = Foreclosure

Therefore, by the transitive property of mathematics, No Job = Foreclosure


Foreclosure of 2008 and 2009 will cost banks billion ~500 billion. Does this sound about right? I suspect banks don't loose 50% of the value of the house so the number should be smaller. Anyway, 500 billion doesn't sound so bad.

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I think 50% is optimistic in this environment - the loss isn't just the price mark down... it is also the overhead, fees & cost to process the sale of a depreciating asset into an already flooded market - a market with no credit and less money. Ugly.


AMF-

How exactly does one arbitrage hope? Common sense?


Ho hum. This was commented on at the time of the moratorium. Just halt foreclosures until the spring selling season. All that pent up demand and Fed engineered low monthly payments will make for a happy, happy joy, joy spring.

Ummmm...or not so much.

Nostrovia,


dryfly,

"I think 50% is optimistic in this environment - the loss isn't just the price mark down... it is also the overhead, fees & cost to process the sale of a depreciating asset into an already flooded market - a market with no credit and less money. Ugly."

Yeah, and bandos, and trashers, and empty, non-climate controlled structures getting slammed by long harsh months.

But hey, who's counting.

Nostrovia,


"The purpose of this program is to prevent panics, not cause them," said one senior official involved in the stress tests who declined to speak on the record

Its simple... just release the results... Sushi


Stress Tests: Who Will Take the Fall?

To view our impartial assessment, please visit:

www.TheValueatRisk.blogspot.com


I've probably said this before. The left loves to blame greedy corporations. The right loves to blame big government.

Clue: Everybody's right. I don't know why people think the offense and the defense are playing for different teams.


Foreclosure of 2008 and 2009 will cost banks billion ~500 billion. Does this sound about right? I suspect banks don't loose 50% of the value of the house so the number should be smaller. Anyway, 500 billion doesn't sound so bad.
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I think 50% is optimistic in this environment - the loss isn't just the price mark down... it is also the overhead, fees & cost to process the sale of a depreciating asset into an already flooded market - a market with no credit and less money. Ugly.

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Didn't the banks leverage these through derivatives ?


dryfly and Mr Misean,

I disagree,

I think the average price of $250K is to high and the loss percent is to high as well....

The average house doent have a mortgage of two fifty and the stuff in the midwest wont lose 50%

Cali sure... FL sure.... AZ... yep...

40 states.... nope.....

........


Foreclosures tend to sell for 10-15% less than the market price so they can wind up the transaction quickly. Add in the fees, and overload of inventory (price elasticity). Banks are probably taking a 30% hit on top of current market pricing to foreclose a house. That's if stripping the house of its carpet, electrical outlets, countertops, light bulbs, copper wiring and the rest of tenant damage is a fringe phenomena. Soon squatters, mould, pesky teenagers, insect infestations, and salvagers will become a significant cost to the banks -- give any organism a fertile feeding ground, and you will see it multiply along with the problem previously assumed to never be more than 1bp spread over a whole portfolio of MBS


Foreclosures tend to sell for 10-15% less than the market price so they can wind up the transaction quickly. Add in the fees, and overload of inventory (price elasticity). Banks are probably taking a 30% hit on top of current market pricing to foreclose a house. That's if stripping the house of its carpet, electrical outlets, countertops, light bulbs, copper wiring and the rest of tenant damage is a fringe phenomena. Soon squatters, mould, pesky teenagers, insect infestations, and salvagers will become a significant cost to the banks -- give any organism a fertile feeding ground, and you will see it multiply along with the problem previously assumed to never be more than 1bp spread over a whole portfolio of MBS


Yeah, and bandos, and trashers, and empty, non-climate controlled structures getting slammed by long harsh months.

But hey, who's counting.

:: ::

Comrade - I've been looking at some foreclosures... that about describes it.


Will the USA be zombified like Japan-circa the last 20 years, or more like something out of Haiti?


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Comrade,

What you call citizenry I call BBAD. The whole system has evolved around dopes. I mean, to screw dopes. Dopes love to be screwed. They can't have enough. They are addicted to getting screwed.

Jas


ecoshift - good theory... like the name too... i feel the shift taking traction more and more every day... its good....


"...non-climate controlled structures getting slammed by long harsh months."

Whoa, ain't this the truth. A family member died and I left their house empty for a year as I was busy. I did have it sealed and winterized, etc. because I knew I wouldn't have the time to deal with it before the will was executed. Anyway, after I finally opened it back up...

I shoulda left it closed.


Happy Teabaggingday Eve everybody


The average house doent have a mortgage of two fifty and the stuff in the midwest wont lose 50%

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I've been looking at foreclosure in the Midwest and many if not most have been 50% off OR MORE from previous market pricing. And the cost to fix up after trashing in some cases - staggering. Florida & Cali numbers are bigger overall but the percentages are just as ugly out here.


anecdotal evidence...
I was at Wells today dealing with some bank acct issues. Banker and I got to chatting, and I asked 'can you see, in a broad sense, defaults coming?'
He got wide eyed and said that the 5/1 ARMs coming this year (2009) will most definitely outdo 2008. It was a somewhat local-specific conversation, and we happened to be in Newport Coast - one of the most expensive areas in the country. When he made examples of the changes in loans and the inability to refi, his example was a $2M loan... cause thats a normal loan around those parts.

This could be interesting...


I wonder if Jas is still holding his beloved Treasuries?


Whoa, ain't this the truth. A family member died and I left their house empty for a year as I was busy. I did have it sealed and winterized, etc. because I knew I wouldn't have the time to deal with it before the will was executed. Anyway, after I finally opened it back up...

I shoulda left it closed.

Remove the body first next time

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The Zombie Apocalypse begins when U3 hits 15%


dryfly
Rural house price cutting: Consequence of less diverse local job market?


Foreclosures are a lagging indicator - buy, buy, buy.


Whoa, ain't this the truth. A family member died and I left their house empty for a year as I was busy. I did have it sealed and winterized, etc. because I knew I wouldn't have the time to deal with it before the will was executed. Anyway, after I finally opened it back up...

I shoulda left it closed.

:: ::

I was in one in St Paul about two months ago... you could 'ice climb' there was so much frozen water on the walls from broken plumbing. It once had beautiful old woodwork too - now pretty much trashed. Looks like bandos got it by the graffiti inside...


OT : marty wolf on a jelly roll, cruisin then wiffs completely at the end on the conclusion. How is it that just because our corruption is not overt and Russia's is, does that somehow let you escape the fact that it is corruption still? Weird.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/09f8c996-2930-11de-bc5e-00144feabdc0.html?ncli...

HAL : I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. (CHONG : Dave's not here.)


Money Magazine's House Price Forecast by State/City

Even hard-hit areas are expected to continue declining in this forecast!


Tupuli-

Hey, we're an old people. Our traditions might be considered "old fashioned" by today's cultural norms. What can I say? Tongue


dryfly
Rural house price cutting: Consequence of less diverse local job market?

Ya that and the same stupidity that drove prices higher than average people could afford. Cali didn't have a monopoly on Kool-Aid.


Any of you ever go house hunting, and come across an Indian (Bombay, not Plains) house that smelled like no matter what you did, it was a pretty much permanent fixture, the odor?


Does anyone else find it odd that Texas announced its intention to secede from the Union today and nobody cares? I truly feel like I live in an alternate reality now...My garden suddenly seems far too small and my ammo stockpile woefully inadequate...

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/


dryfly... i believe you but i'm surprised... would bet on communities tied to cars getting crushed but a place like omaha? then again i dont know much about the midwest.... (much to the dismay of my co-workers)....

Beer


"The purpose of this program is to prevent panics, not cause them,"

They are no longer even pretending that the stress tests were a sham.


"Fannie and Freddie have stepped up sales of foreclosed properties "

Was it Shiela who proposed the moratorium?


"Texas announced its intention to secede from the Union today"

There is something in either the 13th or 14th amendment that would make secession very difficult.

edit: from the 14th amendment: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;


WASHINGTON - The Obama administration is drawing up plans to disclose the conditions of the 19 biggest banks in the country, according to senior administration officials, as it tries to restore confidence in the financial system without unnerving investors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/business/economy/15bailout.html?_r=2&hp


I think we should go easy on the banks. After all, they were just trying to help people get a home.

Nostrovia,

Nostrovia,


Tomorrow a series of protests are planed for "Tax Day" in the form of tea parties and the participants have started to refer to themselves as tea baggers. While I agree that there is much to be angry about, from what I can tell, most of the protest seems badly misdirected, and yet given who is behind the protests, the tea bagger label seems very appropriate (see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tea%20bag). The call for tea parties originally came from Rick Santelli's rant on CNBC about the government bailing out "losers" from the mortgages they took on. Since then the protest organizers, most notably Freedom Works, which is headed by former GOP house leader Dick Armey, have tried to focus them on being about the higher spending and deficits from the stimulus package and the Obama budget. They want to make this about higher taxes, although so far, no ones taxes have been raised, and come 2011, taxes are only going back up to the levels specified by the Bush tax plan, and then only for the highest earners in the country.

This crisis was handed to Obama by Bush. Eight years of deregulating and non enforcement of the remaining regulations are at the core of the problem. Yes, some imprudent people took out loans that were too big and to complex. The buyers did not have enough skin in the game and so when house prices started to fall they were quickly under water. A bigger problem was that the lenders didn't have any skin in the game. The loans were made by mortgage brokers who immediately sold them to small banks, which then sold them to larger banks and eventually to investment banks which tossed a big bunch of them into a cusinart to be sliced and diced into tranches and sold to institutional investors. Along the way, each party took out big fees, fees that went to pay big bonuses at Morgan Stanley (MS), Goldman Sachs (GS) and their departed brethren Bear Sterns and Lehman Brothers. The bankers, up and down the line, were the ones who were supposed to be the financial experts. They were the ones who were making the big bucks. If you want to be pissed at someone, they seem a more deserving target than the lenders.

The GSE's Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE) played relatively small roles in the process. Yes they control about half of all mortgages in the country, but they were shedding market share like crazy during the biggest part of the bubble. Only when it started to pop, and there was no other place to go for mortgages did they really start to regain their market share. Non-GSE mortgages have FAR higher default and foreclosure rates than do GSE mortgages. Yet the tea baggers want to pin the blame on them and on the Democrats in Congress. The worst loans were made from 2003 through mid 2007. Until January of 2007, Barney Frank had about as much power in Congress as I have. On the Senate side, even in 2007 and 2008 it was so narrowly divided that almost nothing could be done, since these days a majority is not a majority unless it can get 60 votes.

We are starting to see "glimmers of hope" for the economy. Yes they are very faint, but they are there. The stimulus spending, along with the mortgage relief plan, and yes even the TARP, as incredibly mismanaged as it has been, are a big part of the reason for those glimmers. I think that Obama has been far too close to Wall St . I would have preferred that he went with the Swedish solution of taking over the insolvent banks, cleaning them up and then reselling them quickly rather than going down the Rube Goldberg inspired PPIP path. The request for more authority to deal with systemically risky institutions is long overdue. Apparently there was no middle path between an outright bankruptcy of AIG and providing it with almost unlimited amounts of taxpayer capital. The statutory authority did not exist because it was not a bank. A middle path might have allowed the government to pay some claims on AIG, for example a death claim on an AIG life insurance policy, and not on others, like a CDS's claim. A straight out bankruptcy of AIG would likely have been an unmitigated disaster, especially coming on the heels of the Lehman Brothers failure.

If you want to protest, protest the fact that there was no middle path available to the Administrations (yes plural, the AIG bailout started under Bush but became worse under Obama). Protest the failure to bring any indictments so far of the top people on Wall St. who let this all happen and profited so greatly from it. Protest the still extremely high salaries that are paid up and down Wall St . Protest the bonuses that went to AIG and Merrill executives. Protest the total dereliction of duty by the regulators (and I would include in that group Tim Geithner in his previous role as the head of the NY Fed). Protest the double standard where by contracts with executives are considered sacred, but union contracts are treated as so much toilet paper.

Don't protest the fact that Obama has to actually spend some money to clean up the awful mess he inherited. Don't protest that a few years from now some of these Wall St. types might have to pay the same "economy crushing" top tax rates that we had back in the Clinton years (you all remember the Great Depression of the 1990's right). After all only about 2% of taxpayers earn more than the $250,000 level where the higher rates will eventually bite, and in 2007, the average (including the receptionist) bonus at Goldman Sachs was $600,000. Far more hedge fund managers and investment bankers will be affected by those tax rates than small businessmen (well I suppose you could call a hedge fund a small business since they generally have few employees).

Just in case you have not guessed, I'm not planning on attending.


reptilian, the point is the idea that nobody really seems to care...I'm expecting one of the bobbleheads to come on the tube and proclaim "In other news, Texas seceded from the Union today and the Obama's got a new puppy!"


Texas fired the first shot in the "The U.S. Government is broke, what do we do now?" state of affairs.


dafox said, "He got wide eyed and said that the 5/1 ARMs coming this year (2009) will most definitely outdo 2008. It was a somewhat local-specific conversation, and we happened to be in Newport Coast - one of the most expensive areas in the country. When he made examples of the changes in loans and the inability to refi, his example was a $2M loan... cause thats a normal loan around those parts.

Yep, I see it coming here in the Silicon Valley, towns like Los Gatos, Cupertino, Saratoga, and Los Altos and Palo Alto too.

We'll soon see if it's true that there's really that many rich people to support $1M+ homes throughout those towns, even in the "questionable" areas, and/or even in tiny (1200 sq ft) tract homes built in 1950.


Comrade Kristina (member) wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 7:05pm.

Does anyone else find it odd that Texas announced its intention to secede from the Union today and nobody cares? I truly feel like I live in an alternate reality now...My garden suddenly seems far too small and my ammo stockpile woefully inadequate...

After Johnson and Bush, who cares.

The country can't afford another Texan president.

Load all the Federal debt on Texas and kick 'em out of the Union.


I never said I was opposed to the idea Anonymous.


Dirk,

Obama could have stepped in and insisted that bondholders and shareholders take losses at these failed institutions. Instead, he continues to protect their profits at the expense of taxpayers, risking bankruptcy of our nation (literally).

You don't have any problem with that? Doesn't it concern you at all that he appears to be serving the same masters as have past administrations (and congressmen) of both parties?

Plutocracy, oligarchy. Not socialism at all, as some accuse Obama. Just a continuation of an ongoing rule by the wealthy and connected.

Banana republicans, all of them.


Dirk van Dijk :

Finally a sane and coherent voice on these so called "grass roots" tea bag protests.


During thew conference call the GS addressed an interesting question. Analysts, etc were told that earnings are not due to "none recurring" events. Particularly it was stated that the AIG contra-party payments had no effect on cash flows this quarter. (p.s. Do we believe it? )
This morning on Bloomberg , Black rock executive broke a rank and joined a choir of people pointing out that there is no way banks could have made money without some counter party" payments.

show must go on !


The Federal government has "forced" the states to do it's bidding for years. The welfare states (Michigan, Calif. etc.) have no choice... Now the Fed is pushing things too far / too fast.

So the states that aren't in financial trouble (Texas) are done... Whip out the constitution and say no more...


> Texas fired the first shot in the "The U.S. Government is broke, what do we do now?" state of affairs.

Fine with me bring on Jeffersonian democracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffersonian_democracy

The core political value of America is representative democracy; citizens have a civic duty to aid the state and resist corruption, especially monarchism and aristocracy.

But I would not live in Texas having already lived there 20 yrs ago

There are only about 6 healthy states with good fiscal policy ( i.e. not one of 25 - 30 current deadbeat states ), good job market and infrastructure, education, mostly educated people etc. excellent export trade etc that I would live in and thank you I'm in one of these.


Health care will not be an area of employment growth going forward.

Obama knows that there can't be conomic recovery and government solvency (on all levels) until health care costs are contained and even start to decline as a % of GDP. We've got 3-4 years max to get the health care cost needle dropping in this country or face massive fiscal problems and debt defaults.

Because salaries are such a large part of the health care industry's cost structure, jobs and pay will have to fall, at least some. This is especially true because you don't want to wipe out the innovations in health care tech, biotech and pharma that actually might help improve service delivery or contain costs long-term. Also, you can only cut health care service levels so far before people (especially elderly voters) get upset. It's just a process of elimination.

The biggest employment declines by far will be in private health care insurers.

Hospitals next.

Coming sooner than a lot of people think.


The Union shall be preserved (in formaldehyde)


Regarding the Money Magazine article, I have LA at 25-31% annual decline. March 2009-March 2010. They have 15%.

I've been right way more often than they have.


"I think we should go easy on the banks. After all, they were just trying to help people get a home."

I agree. We should go easy on healthy banks that play by the book. As for the rest, killing them off has always been part of the free market game.


J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Wells Fargo & Co., Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac all say they have increased foreclosure activity in recent weeks. Those companies say they have lifted internal moratoriums which temporarily halted foreclosures.

Funny. I would have thought the establishment of "internal moratoriums" would have been a material event requiring SEC disclosure. Can anyone point me to the corporate reporting?

Okay, that sounds snarky but it only seems that way because we are so jaded that what is a blatant abrogation of corporate oversight is now routine.


Southern states threatening to secede is so late 1850's...


hong konger,

If you had it winterized, presumably the pipes didn't freeze and bust.

What went wrong despite the fact that you had it winterized?


Xanax and everclear.

Tom Stone


Oh yeah, happy teabagging, kids.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/


Another great local tale from the burbs of NoVa. I just found out today our next door neighbors house (short sale) is under contract for $128,000.
1. The house was purchased in 2006 for $379,000 - 66% haircut
2. Not totally trashed out like the one on the other side - owners that purchased in 2006 are still there. House needs work, but has all it's appliances & carpet so make me wonder again what will happen to the other house.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


Someone should setup an AskMen Top 29 cities for Men liveability index (housing, beer, sports, inventory of single women)
1. Chicago
2. Barcelona
3. San Francisco
4. London
5. Sydney
6. New York
7. Berlin
8. Hong Kong
9. Copenhagen
10. Paris
11. Vancouver
12. Rome
13. Buenos Aires
14. Tokyo
15. Toronto
16. Miami
17. Madrid
18. Vienna
19. Los Angeles
20. Montreal
21. Panama City
22. Portland
23. Lyon
24. Melbourne
25. Tel Aviv
26. Santiago
27. Cape Town
28. Hamburg
29. Edinburgh
http://www.askmen.com/specials/2009_top_29/


Wonder if Goldman is buying $5 billion of C?


"Southern states threatening to secede is so late 1850's... "

Yeah, and they were just copying all those other states over the previous 40 years anyway.

Nostrovia,


km4
Which states? I can only think of Minneapolis
http://www.cbpp.org/9-8-08sfp.htm


I guess Wyoming can be added to that list


The Republican Party has become the pied piper party, the remaining faithful only too happy to be led into an ideological bottomless cave.


"Funny. I would have thought the establishment of "internal moratoriums" would have been a material event requiring SEC disclosure."

funny x 2.
In the environment of declining prices any rational firm would jump the foreclosure process. What do they have to lose, only 10 - 20% off possible proceeds in four months. It would be the case, unless a firm relied on political connections to do business.
The above says a lot about current banking business model & efficiency. (It's going to BLOW!)


Longwaver wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 7:20pm.
The Federal government has "forced" the states to do it's bidding for years. The welfare states (Michigan, Calif. etc.) have no choice... Now the Fed is pushing things too far / too fast.

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Cali is NOT a welfare state ... Cali sends more revenue than it receives, as does New York ...

The welfare states, those that get more in fed dollars than send are souhthern, plains and mountain states as a general rule ...


How does it end, whimper or bang?


Texas is a Welfare state because of the defense contracting


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anon1 wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 7:37pm.
Texas is a Welfare state because of the defense contracting

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and military bases ...


Dafox: I had an acquaintance who gave me shit for years for not buying in OC, CA. He traded up a few times. Bought a $3mil house in Newport Beach in 2005. Put it on the market for 3.1 mil in 2007. Turned down offers of 2.9, 2.5, and 2.4. Just sold for 2mil, he's writing a big check to the bank.


Which states? Here's my 6
WA ( I'm at ), MT ( Big Sky), VT, NH, MN ( as noted above ), PA, and Canada if the shit really hits the fan Wink


Drove from St. Louis to Seattle and just got back yesterday. Stopped in Omaha on the way back.

Omaha, Nebraska - Hell in the Heartland!

That has got to be the ugliest, most depressing place I've ever seen in America.


Comrade Kristina (member) wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 7:05pm.

Does anyone else find it odd that Texas announced its intention to secede from the Union today and nobody cares? I truly feel like I live in an alternate reality now...My garden suddenly seems far too small and my ammo stockpile woefully inadequate...

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/

Sorry, but your statement is completely incorrect based upon the link you provided. It's refering to states rights, not seceding from the union. Really, making false statements is of little value to the conversation.


Not because either is any good, but I am still long both moratoria and Goldman Sachs.


Poste on Bond Tangent of the Rockefeller Institute report on state tax revenues...check the plot of YOY changes in real state tax collections vs. GDP changes on page 8 and think about the differences between that recession and this one...enjoy!

Bond Girl's blog:
http://bondtangent.blogspot.com/

Straight to the Rockefeller report:
http://www.rockinst.org/pdf/government_finance/state_revenue_report/2009-04-14-(75)-state_revenue_report_sales_tax_decline.pdf


MrM (member) wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 6:14pm.
1) Foreclosures generate very large losses for mortgage lenders ("motivated seller" discount, long time without mortgage payments, fees, etc). While servicing companies can benefit from this, mortgage lenders will not.

Sorry MrM, but I've heard this mantra for so long it's driving me batshite. Someone, anyone, please PROVE to me that banks are losing money on foreclosures. From my layman's understanding of securitization banks/note holders potentially profit as many as 3-5x the value of a loan especially if the perfect storm materializes.

1.) Note insurance covers the value of individual defaulted notes in pools.
2.) pmi insurance, if it is in place
3.) payments from the homeowner should s/he be able to get the loan back on track.
4.) recovery of the property upon foreclosure especially in "up" markets, if the overall amount due on a property is significantly less than the FMV of the property at the time of foreclosure, the note holder at the time of FC potentially scores significant equity in said property. Ex. a property with a FMV of $200,000 is FCd for $50,000. The note holder purchases the property at auction for the outstanding $50k. Note holder becomes owner of record wiping out any claim to equity that the FCd borrower may have had. Note holder then sels the property for FMV and pockets $150,000 in equity.

Other than that, I wonder just how many foreclosures will be conducted whereby the foreclosing entity (be it the note holder, servicer, trustee and/or MERS) has no legal standing to foreclose because of their inability to produce the original note. See Where's The Note, Who's The Holder: Enforcement Of Promissory Note Secured By Real Estate - by Hon. Samuel L. Bufford & Hon. R. Glen Ayers http://www.langleybanack.com/admin/newsfiles/Ayers%20ABI%20-20090212-113...


jm-

Well, I should have put "" around winterized. The pipes still burst and soaked the floors. Then, apparently, the ice melted a few days, just enough to soak into the flooring,walls, etc. Then, it refroze and buckled everything. This created nice crevices for the critters to enter the home. So, they had a full 9 months or so to play and frolic. Other organisms at the micro scale took hold in the intervening spring. ...

There was more, ohhhh, much, much more. But, you get the drift.

The repair bill staggered me a little. 50 years of minimal upkeep coupled with materials that are no longer easily found, ugh. Add in the damage. Ugh, ugh.


Short Courage,
Yes I agree that the codling of the bond holders is one of Obama's great faults so far, and should have included that to the part about being to close to the bankers. That is one of the reasons that I favor the "Swedish solution". There is plenty that deserves protesting, but for the most part, not the stuff that the organizers of this are pushing it. Teabagging seems like a deliberate attempt to divert anger away from the proper target and find scapegoats. Those scapegoats will be the poor and powerless, not the rich and powerful, hence all the attention paid to the CRA.


Mike Dillon,

Here is a real world example.

My neighbor bought his place for $490K 2/06. Nothing down.
Refinanced several months later for $590K when another neighbors house sold for that amount. Neghbo number one put $90K in his pocket on the refi.

Proud new owner quits making payments in 09/07. Bank starts foreclosure process in March of 08. Foreclosure completed in August of 08 and bank puts home on market for $550K. Bank eventualy drops price to $350K and still no buyers. Home went to auction on 3 April 09.

Don't know what it sold for yet - but as you can see bank lost a lot of money.


mmckinl wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 7:35pm.

becareful with the comparison.... cali is a huge debtor it just sends money to the USG.

its kinda like the US being the biggest contributor to the IMF or the UN.... we're a massive debtor to China so who's really playing...

sshhhhh.... dont tell the rest of the world, esp the chinese....

Beer


Evidently Speed Racer has never been to Dayton. Hey Dirk, if you have been to Omaha you could weigh in here with some authority....



hong konger,

Thanks for the added info. Sorry to cause you to recall such a true horror. You have my sympathy.


The rise in trustee sale filings doesn't quite do justice to the supply of homes waiting in the wings to get foreclosed on. There are a massive amount of homes whose trustee sale notice has been filed but trustee sale has been postponed. The postponments intervals are getting smaller though and I suspect we shall soon see the trustee sales rise as some of the remaining technical issues regarding who gets loan modifications get worked out. More local flavor for the San Fernando Valley and Ventura County on my blog.


Enter California, uber welfare state:

California asks feds to back its IOUs

Facing what could be the largest cash flow problem in state history, California officials are asking the federal government to back billions of dollars in short-term loans the state must seek in July.

"We're going to need cash-flow borrowing the likes of which California has never seen, at a time when market and economic forces are stacked against us," said Tom Dresslar, spokesman for state Treasurer Bill Lockyer. "That's a recipe for calamity."

While the state routinely borrows money at the start of fiscal years on July 1 by issuing interest-bearing Revenue Anticipation Notes, or RANs, a combination of factors have conspired to form a mountainous hurdle this time around.

Those factors include the sheer size of the amount needed – at least $13 billion – the state's woeful credit rating and the generally sorry state of the nation's financial markets.

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sacrealstats


Time to kick out more free-loading illegal aliens. The numbers in Phoenix and Las Vegas are staggering. When flying over these cities, you can see how much was developed in the last 10 years. It make you wonder where all of the people came from (hummm...gee...I wonder where?).

The USA cannot be a pressure relief valve for the 3rd world, which grows by 100 million PER YEAR. We need to return to being an All-Star team, only letting in people who are educated, have money, and demonstrate English speaking, reading, and writing. Try to immigrate to countries in Europe like Switzerland. No one blames Switzerland for their strict immigration policies.


Speed Racer wrote on Tue, 04/14/2009 - 8:06pm.

Mike Dillon,

Here is a real world example.

My neighbor bought his place for $490K 2/06. Nothing down.
Refinanced several months later for $590K when another neighbors house sold for that amount. Neghbo number one put $90K in his pocket on the refi....

From my extremely basic knowledge, though, Speed, the problem with your example is simply that it may only be PART of the "real world example". Yes, it sounds like a legit FC, especially is neighbor "simply" quit making payments on the mortgage. The question that remains is whether neighbor's note was securitized and, if it was, was a claim made against any Note Insurance that may have covered the pool that neighbor's note was bundled into.

If a claim WAS made, the amount that neighbor's property sold for at auction may very well have been GRAVY (read pure profit) if the Note Insurance claim covered everything that was owed by neighbor.

This could also help explain why banks/note holders don't really care about walking away from properties/not taking legal possession of them after a foreclosure. They may have already covered the Note through insurance claims. Why should they care about the property after that? They may have recouped their loss and stuck the insurance underwriter with it. Why put the physical property on their books?


Then you probably missed Omaha's little bitch next door, Council Bluffs, Iowa.


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